Two hundred governments and health institutions around the world have admitted they don't have a sample of SARS-CoV-2 from a human patient. Why is a researcher in the Toronto-area taking the heat?
I have a higher standard than that. All the phony "covid truthers" have done some good. But they sound like anti-Vietnam War activists obsessing over the domino theory and the communist threat. Either the threat is real or it is not. The threat determines the response.
I could agree more Eric. I have come to the conclusion that Steve Kirsch is an egotistical, inginatious narcissist with a deep lack of humility. As I have stated elsewhere, I don't beleive he fight this fight against the vax fro anyone other than himself due the bruised ego and pride he feels by falling for the crap in the first place and then getting himself and his kids vaxxed. As they say "Know them by their actions"
You might apprecate a poem I wrote in June last year. I think its probably up your readers' street.
Well, I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from with this so I'm just going to leave you to it. While I would agree that many of those that seem to have the power in this world are linked to the askanazi Jews, I do not think that all Jews are evil. I just believe that Jewish people have a study and work ethic that is unmatched by most cultures. But any way, my comments on Steve have nothing to do with his ancestry or religious beliefs.
And by the way I am every bit as outraged about circumcision as you seem to be. Jews are not the only people who do it. It is genital mutilation and is designed to separate boys from the bond of trust with their mothers, who are supposed to protect them from that kind of pain at the age of 3 days or whatever.
It is a devastating experience and I believe responsible for much of the division between women and men. I have in the past urged feminists to take up this issue, if they want to improve the lot of women by improving the environmental conditions boys are subjected to. And as you might expect, none thought this was a particularly important topic. But I do have friends who would sooner take a bullet than mutilate their son's penis.
One other thing — to the remaining women interested in relationships with men, please learn this issue. "Cut" or "uncut" is not a matter of aesthetic preference. It is a matter of severe trauma you will encounter one way or another.
Thank you, Eric, for a very important article explaining the actual facts. And tremendous thanks to Christine Massey for doing the work that needed to be done to understand this part of the covid fraud.
There have been a number of posts recently challenging the existence of the coronavirus because nobody will give a sample of the virus taken directly from a living human who has it.
Now, you can get a perfect sample of SARS-CoV 2 doing its work in some living cells very easily. You can say what strain you want, and contact the BEI lab, who will give it you for free. You need to be a researcher and follow some protocols. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html sets this out clearly.
Then you can look at it under your expensive microscope, watch it replicating and so on. But only if it’s in a cell culture, because a virus relies for most of its structure and all of its functioning, on its host cells.
Samples have been sent around the world for research since the Time of Wuhan. The first samples came from the first infected person. I assume that original samples of the new strains were taken from individuals too. Then these are cultured in labs. It’s not hard to do, and this stuff has been done for decades, and is the only way it is done. And of course the original samples don’t ‘exist’ any more – and even that concept doesn’t apply. What you have is a strain. Like when you make yogurt, then you make yogurt from that yogurt. Every spoonful is a starter. You don’t go rummaging around underneath a cow in a meadow in Mesopotamia.
So the demand is pretty extraordinary. Instead of being happy with what the scientists work with, i.e. cultured samples, it wants a fresh sample scooped out of Mr Jones or Ms Smith and then packaged up in a spoonful of that individual’s body (because there is no such thing as covid outside of its living cell environment), and for labs and governments to keep these things fresh in thermos flasks. And perhaps replace them successively.. No wonder everyone is saying ‘get real’. Why would anyone do this? The prospect is abhorrent.
And it would be exactly the same if one made this demand around Ebola or HIV or measles or chickenpox. And anyone who works with viruses would know that. For research you don’t go to Africa and dig a trowel into some patient. You study a cultured sample. And this doesn’t invalidate anything at all.
So it’s not an issue about the virus – as said above, you can get a sample any old time. It is the demand for a sample taken directly from a living human who is infected. Nobody is going to dig into a human so that some skeptic can see the virus, or doesn’t believe that viruses replicate themselves or some such. There are tubs of the stuff cultured in labs all over the world.
This isn’t weird, or gobbledegook or a smokescreen: simply that what is demanded is unconscionable.
And sure, I’m not a virologist. And neither is Mike Yeadon.
You comment is full of unsubstantiated claims, ludicrous and blatantly false statements, and you have somehow missed the entire point.
You cannot scientifically show the existence of an alleged virus - a replication-competent obligate intra-cellular parasite that transmits between hosts and causes disease via natural modes of exposure - without purifying the particle in question in order to sequence and characterize that specific thing and carry out controlled experiments with that specific thing as the independent variable.
Obtaining a product from BEI is not proof of a virus, logic please.
According to virus theory, viruses exist outside of cells. They have to leave a cell in order to go infect another cell or another host. They exist on surfaces and fly through the air. Masks are full of them. Surely you didn't sleep through the last 2+ years?
If this theory were true, there would be tons of viruses in the bodily tissue/fluid [i.e. snot, lung fluid] of their victims. They would easily be found in and purified from those tissues/fluids. They would be sequenced, characterized and studied with controlled experiments. None of that has happened.
The FOIs do not ask for anything remotely unusual ("purification as per standard laboratory practices for very small thing" - as shown in this article: https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/response-to-jeff-green/, and the entire collection of literally hundreds of responses is publicly available on my website).
As shown in every "virus isolation" publication, virologists are not scientists. If you're so convinced we're wrong, prove your case by citing scientific proof of any virus. Otherwise you are wasting people's time and adding to the confusion.
August 3, 2022:
Kelsey Kennard, acting in the Office of the Registrar at New Zealand's University of Otago, insisted to Michael S. that the paper titled "Characterization of the First SARS-CoV-2 Isolates from Aotearoa New Zealand as Part of a Rapid Response to the COVID-19 Pandemic" authored by "virologist" Miguel Quiñones-Mateu...
(a paper that Kelsey had already officially confessed is merely a descriptive paper with no hypothesis and nothing to prove or disprove, as shown here:
You > Now, you can get a perfect sample of SARS-CoV 2
Me > Oh yeah, how do you know it's a perfect sample, correctly identified?
You > Through PCR and Sanger and Next Gen Sequencing.
Me > How was PCR calibrated?
You > By "synthetic nucleic acid technology" (Corman, Drosten), and by "characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA ...spiked into a diluent consisting of a suspension of human A549 cells and viral transport medium to mimic clinical specimen. " (CDC)
Me: So the Primers were not based on anything in the real world?
You: ____________(???)____________________
Me: How was the Sanger / Next Gen Sequencing performed?
You: By using Metagenomics, Bioinformatics, In-silico Modeling, Genome Alignment/Assembly (MegaHit, Blast, Trinity, etc).
Me: So it's all CGI?!!!
You: ____________(???)____________________
Me: GISAID says there are 12,293,488 submitted genomes for SARS-CoV-2. Which is the right one? How do I know which one I caught? Which ones are detected reliably by PCR? Is it 12M? or just 1? Something in between? Or maybe Zero can be reliably detected?
You: ____________(???)____________________
Me: Aren't all those 12,293,488 mutations/variants simply reproducibility errors of the completely bogus and contrived Metagenomics CGI Cut-n-Paste "Monkey's Typing" funny business?
Maybe both. Maybe there were others. I may have been wrong to assume one sample, there may be have been several of the 'alpha' strain collected. I guess it is possible that others were collected in various countries before widespread sharing kicked off, and folks wanted to study it.
You are welcome to look at the history of these events in my chronology. Once you have the pdf open, issues under this topic have the tag [iap] which you can search.
There are currently 6.4 million variants of "s2" - please stand up!
Also it matters exactly from whom a patient sample was taken, and when, and what method was used to cook up the "genome." If you knew the medical and technical details of how these in silico phony genomes (metagenomic transcripts) were created — MN908947 and 402123 — you would not be so certain of yourself. Both are entirely fabricated, edited, and paid for by institutions acting in bad faith. Read the details in the chronology and hear this presentation
"Then you can look at it under your expensive microscope, watch it replicating and so on."
See replication ... under an electron microscope? Like it's proving live coverage? Guess you didn't know that to look at anything under an electron microscope, you have to basically kill it with chemicals. :-)
Firstly, appreciation to you, Eric, and one other for offering courtesy here. Perhaps for les autres, simply to shoot those who don’t see the world as we do, is a societal solution we're not seeing as a good model I think, particularly in the USA. The art of influencing without violence is a great one to cultivate, I think. And also I’m too old and resilient to abandon anything just because I get my hair pulled. However, my life is really too over-committed to spend a lot of time here, and after posting this, I’ll probably unsubscribe.
Eric, yes, I’ve read your chronology, and it would be good to cover the past year. I wonder how the rapid antigen test, which seems to give so many false negatives, is functioning, and how the shift from PCRs doesn’t seem consistently to have reduced reported case numbers. I could probably find out more about RATs. Certainly where I live, PCRs are like hens’ teeth right now. However, daily reported cases in Germany, didn’t rise above about 70k up to the end of 2021, but this March hit about 300,000. Would be interesting to know what tests have been used in the past few months across Europe, say.
There are many details in your work where my observations have been quite different from yours. One is excess deaths, where the charts I saw (probably Our World in Data, but forgive me, I gave up tracking all this some months ago because it was taking up so much time) showed mountains of them. As well as the articles about exhausted med staff, beds in corridors and so forth, in many hospitals, where it seems that you say concentrations of cases did not have this effect. And that lockdowns had no effect, when in small countries these controlled cases as dramatically as turning off the gas on the stove.
Disaster capitalism notwithstanding, the notion of Schwab and the Great Reset being actively sinister is much less compelling to me than Naomi Klein’s analysis https://theintercept.com/2020/12/08/great-reset-conspiracy/. And yes, the sad, narcissistic elite and other rogues will always attempt to make money out of suffering.
I’ve still to fathom the numerics around the over-inclusive sensitivity of the PCR, though will get there. Certainly it’s commonly known that the thing is massively reactive, and whether this is good or bad depends on one’s situation completely. And if one does not believe in excess mortality or hospitalisations then certainly it could be seen that the PCR was a con that created a myth of a pandemic. However, if one does consider these as incontrovertible, then the question has to be, what have all these people died of?
Regarding Christine’s view that researchers should be require to work with the contents of swabs and kleenex I think is impractical, and rather than simple, would be extremely onerous. Her tireless work around OIAs and the resulting lack of proof as defined: yes, this is all about Koch’s postulates. Personally I’m quite happy with Siouxsie Wiles’ response https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html and how even Koch recognised, at a time when viruses had not been identified at all, that these postulates didn’t work fully for the microbes he was studying. And viruses are not microbes, they are not finite organisms, so to require the production of a self-existing thing that has life as we know it, when by nature it isn’t a self-existing thing with life as we know it, will of course elicit the same response every time. It sets conditions that aren’t actual tests of validity, then claims proof of invalidity.
Actually it reminds me a bit of the kinds of proof demanded in relationships, e.g. ‘a real husband would go and put up a set of shelves for my dad’.
I’m intrigued by the thought that viruses don’t exist at all, and that the illnesses they appear to cause are mass psychosis. Perhaps rabies arises as a response by canines to foxhunting or wolf persecution. Smallpox as an indigenous response to colonial invasions. I recall a great piece years ago on how polio beset the US when Americans were depressed about themselves (diminished hegemony or some such), and then went away spontaneously when they cheered up (not about the vax). I’m a Buddhist, so can happily accept that whatever arises is simply the play of the mind.
Thank you for this brief experience of engagement, it’s been an interesting window. Though it does amplify one regret I’ve had ever since QAnon showed up, which is how tragic it is that so many who would otherwise be engaged as our cultural creatives, or skilful activists in a time when this world is so close to the edge, are focusing so narrowly to prove that this specific set of betrayals has taken place. I truly wonder about the cost-benefit calculation here.
In any event - may the dark ignorance of sentient beings be dispelled.
Deflection? No, a methodical approach, starting from the beginning — the "original study" that Mike Yeadon was referring to. Watch the Tobacco Mosaic video on Sam Bailey's odyseey.
While the challenge relates to influenza A and covid19 I think they are open to any virus. They have been saying all along, where is a paper, any paper that proves the existence of a virus (defined as a pathogenic transmissible particle). There are lots of biological structures that 'may' be a virus, but has the full definition been proven? No proof meets this bar yet. So far the particles they found offer support to Jeff Green's hypothesis rather than the pathogenic transmissible particle.
But, but, but, my Aunt Bessie went to play Bridge with her church group and within a day they all came down with a nasty flu! How can that not be a virus!
Well, there are a lot of possibilities for how bodies resonate together, but one of them is not a virus if we know they are faking the whole concept of a virus. A virus seems to be a place holder that really means "some phenomenon we do not understand." And which has never been looked at, because medicine is an endless loop of vaccine, virus, chronic disease, more illness, more vaccines and more chronic disease. Maybe they were all poisoned in the place where they played bridge. Maybe there are some bodies that induce other bodies to go into CLEANSE MODE, which is what a cold and flu really are.
I agree, there could be causes outside the range of material science, but the materialists will just call it woo/pseudoscience wile at the same time being unable to produce the particles they say cause disease. We seem to be caught in a rut, which is why I support the Virus Challenge. If they have the particles, let's see them.
The problem is some people would rather cling to an unproven theory than have no theory at all.
Yes, so the Challenge is one option. The other is to direct our energies, $, attention towards alternatives, which Dr. Cowan and Dr. Kaufman are doing. There is an economic aspect to that though, the whole health insurance thing which is all tied into SO/RM as well as changing one's allegiances from the current medical system to the alternative which is repeatedly called unproven, or quack medicine.
more like threats against fundraising and people not wanting to step out of the party line. I guess it's acceptable to admit that the "pandemic" was exaggerated, the response inappropriate, and the lockdowns and injections a bad thing — as long as you admit that therer was a virus. Then you can say anything. Just agree that there was a virus, otay?
I am not speculating, and his private life must have no bearing on his public life. I attended a public event with him and there was not one iota of security. You can say I didn't see it, but I know what to look for. There was only hotel security and it was extremely mild.
RFK's position is political science, not science. Del Bigtree — same. Reiner Fullmich — same. They are all pitching political science, which can pretend there is no evidence that a virus does not exist; and while they are free to do that, we must recognize the damage and NOT call this being a "truther" and certainly not "no censorship." If they have thrown a few crumbs to the "no virus issue," that is not enough. I want Massey, Cowan, Kaufman, Stone, Wallach et al interviewed on CHD — as they have all been presented and treated fairly on on PWFM
There is one standard of truth. RFK beings his book with the chapter, A MISHANDLED PANDEMIC. There was no pandemic. So he is lying out of the gate. He also prides himself on being precise about scientific details. He went on and on about that at the very presentation where I questioned him.
I have a higher standard than that. All the phony "covid truthers" have done some good. But they sound like anti-Vietnam War activists obsessing over the domino theory and the communist threat. Either the threat is real or it is not. The threat determines the response.
Love it!
I could agree more Eric. I have come to the conclusion that Steve Kirsch is an egotistical, inginatious narcissist with a deep lack of humility. As I have stated elsewhere, I don't beleive he fight this fight against the vax fro anyone other than himself due the bruised ego and pride he feels by falling for the crap in the first place and then getting himself and his kids vaxxed. As they say "Know them by their actions"
You might apprecate a poem I wrote in June last year. I think its probably up your readers' street.
https://robdubya.substack.com/p/it-was-the-germs-wot-done-it-sir
Well, I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from with this so I'm just going to leave you to it. While I would agree that many of those that seem to have the power in this world are linked to the askanazi Jews, I do not think that all Jews are evil. I just believe that Jewish people have a study and work ethic that is unmatched by most cultures. But any way, my comments on Steve have nothing to do with his ancestry or religious beliefs.
I'm from New York City where we think of Jews a certain way — as people.
Indeed Eric
And by the way I am every bit as outraged about circumcision as you seem to be. Jews are not the only people who do it. It is genital mutilation and is designed to separate boys from the bond of trust with their mothers, who are supposed to protect them from that kind of pain at the age of 3 days or whatever.
It is a devastating experience and I believe responsible for much of the division between women and men. I have in the past urged feminists to take up this issue, if they want to improve the lot of women by improving the environmental conditions boys are subjected to. And as you might expect, none thought this was a particularly important topic. But I do have friends who would sooner take a bullet than mutilate their son's penis.
One other thing — to the remaining women interested in relationships with men, please learn this issue. "Cut" or "uncut" is not a matter of aesthetic preference. It is a matter of severe trauma you will encounter one way or another.
My fact checking team sent me this comment a week ago, before you even wrote it.
Thank you, Eric, for a very important article explaining the actual facts. And tremendous thanks to Christine Massey for doing the work that needed to be done to understand this part of the covid fraud.
Great to see Yeadon keeping an open mind. What a journey all this must have been for him.
I have the deepest respect for Mike. You can hear me read his lengthy email to me on this edition of my program. Start at 1:24
https://planetwaves.fm/leo-new-moon-mars-in-taurus/
Yes, he also thought in the very beginning these crapccines could benefit the elderly.
Given his background, I'm willing to concede he was genuinely mistaken about that back then and has been able to change his mind.
He is also a signer here
https://cormandrostenreview.com/
Dear Eric and all,
There have been a number of posts recently challenging the existence of the coronavirus because nobody will give a sample of the virus taken directly from a living human who has it.
Now, you can get a perfect sample of SARS-CoV 2 doing its work in some living cells very easily. You can say what strain you want, and contact the BEI lab, who will give it you for free. You need to be a researcher and follow some protocols. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html sets this out clearly.
Then you can look at it under your expensive microscope, watch it replicating and so on. But only if it’s in a cell culture, because a virus relies for most of its structure and all of its functioning, on its host cells.
Samples have been sent around the world for research since the Time of Wuhan. The first samples came from the first infected person. I assume that original samples of the new strains were taken from individuals too. Then these are cultured in labs. It’s not hard to do, and this stuff has been done for decades, and is the only way it is done. And of course the original samples don’t ‘exist’ any more – and even that concept doesn’t apply. What you have is a strain. Like when you make yogurt, then you make yogurt from that yogurt. Every spoonful is a starter. You don’t go rummaging around underneath a cow in a meadow in Mesopotamia.
So the demand is pretty extraordinary. Instead of being happy with what the scientists work with, i.e. cultured samples, it wants a fresh sample scooped out of Mr Jones or Ms Smith and then packaged up in a spoonful of that individual’s body (because there is no such thing as covid outside of its living cell environment), and for labs and governments to keep these things fresh in thermos flasks. And perhaps replace them successively.. No wonder everyone is saying ‘get real’. Why would anyone do this? The prospect is abhorrent.
And it would be exactly the same if one made this demand around Ebola or HIV or measles or chickenpox. And anyone who works with viruses would know that. For research you don’t go to Africa and dig a trowel into some patient. You study a cultured sample. And this doesn’t invalidate anything at all.
So it’s not an issue about the virus – as said above, you can get a sample any old time. It is the demand for a sample taken directly from a living human who is infected. Nobody is going to dig into a human so that some skeptic can see the virus, or doesn’t believe that viruses replicate themselves or some such. There are tubs of the stuff cultured in labs all over the world.
This isn’t weird, or gobbledegook or a smokescreen: simply that what is demanded is unconscionable.
And sure, I’m not a virologist. And neither is Mike Yeadon.
You comment is full of unsubstantiated claims, ludicrous and blatantly false statements, and you have somehow missed the entire point.
You cannot scientifically show the existence of an alleged virus - a replication-competent obligate intra-cellular parasite that transmits between hosts and causes disease via natural modes of exposure - without purifying the particle in question in order to sequence and characterize that specific thing and carry out controlled experiments with that specific thing as the independent variable.
Obtaining a product from BEI is not proof of a virus, logic please.
According to virus theory, viruses exist outside of cells. They have to leave a cell in order to go infect another cell or another host. They exist on surfaces and fly through the air. Masks are full of them. Surely you didn't sleep through the last 2+ years?
If this theory were true, there would be tons of viruses in the bodily tissue/fluid [i.e. snot, lung fluid] of their victims. They would easily be found in and purified from those tissues/fluids. They would be sequenced, characterized and studied with controlled experiments. None of that has happened.
The FOIs do not ask for anything remotely unusual ("purification as per standard laboratory practices for very small thing" - as shown in this article: https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/response-to-jeff-green/, and the entire collection of literally hundreds of responses is publicly available on my website).
As shown in every "virus isolation" publication, virologists are not scientists. If you're so convinced we're wrong, prove your case by citing scientific proof of any virus. Otherwise you are wasting people's time and adding to the confusion.
August 3, 2022:
Kelsey Kennard, acting in the Office of the Registrar at New Zealand's University of Otago, insisted to Michael S. that the paper titled "Characterization of the First SARS-CoV-2 Isolates from Aotearoa New Zealand as Part of a Rapid Response to the COVID-19 Pandemic" authored by "virologist" Miguel Quiñones-Mateu...
(a paper that Kelsey had already officially confessed is merely a descriptive paper with no hypothesis and nothing to prove or disprove, as shown here:
https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022-06-22-University-of-Otago-Scientific-Method-Response-Redacted-Complete.pdf)
proves the existence of "SARS-COV-2" in New Zealand:
https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/NZ-U-of-Otago-no-scientific-proof-existence-PACKAGE-redacted.pdf
You > Now, you can get a perfect sample of SARS-CoV 2
Me > Oh yeah, how do you know it's a perfect sample, correctly identified?
You > Through PCR and Sanger and Next Gen Sequencing.
Me > How was PCR calibrated?
You > By "synthetic nucleic acid technology" (Corman, Drosten), and by "characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA ...spiked into a diluent consisting of a suspension of human A549 cells and viral transport medium to mimic clinical specimen. " (CDC)
Me: So the Primers were not based on anything in the real world?
You: ____________(???)____________________
Me: How was the Sanger / Next Gen Sequencing performed?
You: By using Metagenomics, Bioinformatics, In-silico Modeling, Genome Alignment/Assembly (MegaHit, Blast, Trinity, etc).
Me: So it's all CGI?!!!
You: ____________(???)____________________
Me: GISAID says there are 12,293,488 submitted genomes for SARS-CoV-2. Which is the right one? How do I know which one I caught? Which ones are detected reliably by PCR? Is it 12M? or just 1? Something in between? Or maybe Zero can be reliably detected?
You: ____________(???)____________________
Me: Aren't all those 12,293,488 mutations/variants simply reproducibility errors of the completely bogus and contrived Metagenomics CGI Cut-n-Paste "Monkey's Typing" funny business?
You: ____________(???)____________________
which patient are you talking about? 41-yr-old in Wu, or 61-year-old in Ren?
Maybe both. Maybe there were others. I may have been wrong to assume one sample, there may be have been several of the 'alpha' strain collected. I guess it is possible that others were collected in various countries before widespread sharing kicked off, and folks wanted to study it.
Thanks Sus
You are welcome to look at the history of these events in my chronology. Once you have the pdf open, issues under this topic have the tag [iap] which you can search.
There are currently 6.4 million variants of "s2" - please stand up!
Also it matters exactly from whom a patient sample was taken, and when, and what method was used to cook up the "genome." If you knew the medical and technical details of how these in silico phony genomes (metagenomic transcripts) were created — MN908947 and 402123 — you would not be so certain of yourself. Both are entirely fabricated, edited, and paid for by institutions acting in bad faith. Read the details in the chronology and hear this presentation
https://planetwaves.fm/coming-friday-sequence-shell-game-the-story-of-mn908947-and-402123/
"Then you can look at it under your expensive microscope, watch it replicating and so on."
See replication ... under an electron microscope? Like it's proving live coverage? Guess you didn't know that to look at anything under an electron microscope, you have to basically kill it with chemicals. :-)
Hi Eric and all,
Firstly, appreciation to you, Eric, and one other for offering courtesy here. Perhaps for les autres, simply to shoot those who don’t see the world as we do, is a societal solution we're not seeing as a good model I think, particularly in the USA. The art of influencing without violence is a great one to cultivate, I think. And also I’m too old and resilient to abandon anything just because I get my hair pulled. However, my life is really too over-committed to spend a lot of time here, and after posting this, I’ll probably unsubscribe.
Eric, yes, I’ve read your chronology, and it would be good to cover the past year. I wonder how the rapid antigen test, which seems to give so many false negatives, is functioning, and how the shift from PCRs doesn’t seem consistently to have reduced reported case numbers. I could probably find out more about RATs. Certainly where I live, PCRs are like hens’ teeth right now. However, daily reported cases in Germany, didn’t rise above about 70k up to the end of 2021, but this March hit about 300,000. Would be interesting to know what tests have been used in the past few months across Europe, say.
There are many details in your work where my observations have been quite different from yours. One is excess deaths, where the charts I saw (probably Our World in Data, but forgive me, I gave up tracking all this some months ago because it was taking up so much time) showed mountains of them. As well as the articles about exhausted med staff, beds in corridors and so forth, in many hospitals, where it seems that you say concentrations of cases did not have this effect. And that lockdowns had no effect, when in small countries these controlled cases as dramatically as turning off the gas on the stove.
Disaster capitalism notwithstanding, the notion of Schwab and the Great Reset being actively sinister is much less compelling to me than Naomi Klein’s analysis https://theintercept.com/2020/12/08/great-reset-conspiracy/. And yes, the sad, narcissistic elite and other rogues will always attempt to make money out of suffering.
I’ve still to fathom the numerics around the over-inclusive sensitivity of the PCR, though will get there. Certainly it’s commonly known that the thing is massively reactive, and whether this is good or bad depends on one’s situation completely. And if one does not believe in excess mortality or hospitalisations then certainly it could be seen that the PCR was a con that created a myth of a pandemic. However, if one does consider these as incontrovertible, then the question has to be, what have all these people died of?
Regarding Christine’s view that researchers should be require to work with the contents of swabs and kleenex I think is impractical, and rather than simple, would be extremely onerous. Her tireless work around OIAs and the resulting lack of proof as defined: yes, this is all about Koch’s postulates. Personally I’m quite happy with Siouxsie Wiles’ response https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/11/16/kochs-postulates-covid-and-misinformation-rabbit-holes.html and how even Koch recognised, at a time when viruses had not been identified at all, that these postulates didn’t work fully for the microbes he was studying. And viruses are not microbes, they are not finite organisms, so to require the production of a self-existing thing that has life as we know it, when by nature it isn’t a self-existing thing with life as we know it, will of course elicit the same response every time. It sets conditions that aren’t actual tests of validity, then claims proof of invalidity.
Actually it reminds me a bit of the kinds of proof demanded in relationships, e.g. ‘a real husband would go and put up a set of shelves for my dad’.
I’m intrigued by the thought that viruses don’t exist at all, and that the illnesses they appear to cause are mass psychosis. Perhaps rabies arises as a response by canines to foxhunting or wolf persecution. Smallpox as an indigenous response to colonial invasions. I recall a great piece years ago on how polio beset the US when Americans were depressed about themselves (diminished hegemony or some such), and then went away spontaneously when they cheered up (not about the vax). I’m a Buddhist, so can happily accept that whatever arises is simply the play of the mind.
Thank you for this brief experience of engagement, it’s been an interesting window. Though it does amplify one regret I’ve had ever since QAnon showed up, which is how tragic it is that so many who would otherwise be engaged as our cultural creatives, or skilful activists in a time when this world is so close to the edge, are focusing so narrowly to prove that this specific set of betrayals has taken place. I truly wonder about the cost-benefit calculation here.
In any event - may the dark ignorance of sentient beings be dispelled.
Susie
So what is the question?!
~Is it whether the alleged SARS-COV-2 exists? I thought that was what Massey’s foi requests were to question…
~Or is it whether ALL viruses in general exist?
The waters seem a bit muddied…
Let's go "virus" by "virus." This is supposed to be science. Let's start with the tobacco mosaic virus study.
That sounds like a deflection instead of an answer to a simple question…
Deflection? No, a methodical approach, starting from the beginning — the "original study" that Mike Yeadon was referring to. Watch the Tobacco Mosaic video on Sam Bailey's odyseey.
That has nothing to do with my question? I just think ‘they’ are making their challenge convoluted.
It is difficult to follow these threads with multiple posts. So I am not sure were we are at.
Of course.. let me put it another way then, is their challenge about proving the non-existence of SARS-COV-2 or the non-existence of ALL viruses.
While the challenge relates to influenza A and covid19 I think they are open to any virus. They have been saying all along, where is a paper, any paper that proves the existence of a virus (defined as a pathogenic transmissible particle). There are lots of biological structures that 'may' be a virus, but has the full definition been proven? No proof meets this bar yet. So far the particles they found offer support to Jeff Green's hypothesis rather than the pathogenic transmissible particle.
But, but, but, my Aunt Bessie went to play Bridge with her church group and within a day they all came down with a nasty flu! How can that not be a virus!
Well, there are a lot of possibilities for how bodies resonate together, but one of them is not a virus if we know they are faking the whole concept of a virus. A virus seems to be a place holder that really means "some phenomenon we do not understand." And which has never been looked at, because medicine is an endless loop of vaccine, virus, chronic disease, more illness, more vaccines and more chronic disease. Maybe they were all poisoned in the place where they played bridge. Maybe there are some bodies that induce other bodies to go into CLEANSE MODE, which is what a cold and flu really are.
I agree, there could be causes outside the range of material science, but the materialists will just call it woo/pseudoscience wile at the same time being unable to produce the particles they say cause disease. We seem to be caught in a rut, which is why I support the Virus Challenge. If they have the particles, let's see them.
The problem is some people would rather cling to an unproven theory than have no theory at all.
yeah
the rut is called STANDARD OIL MEDICINE A/K/A ROCKEFELLER MEDICINE
Yes, so the Challenge is one option. The other is to direct our energies, $, attention towards alternatives, which Dr. Cowan and Dr. Kaufman are doing. There is an economic aspect to that though, the whole health insurance thing which is all tied into SO/RM as well as changing one's allegiances from the current medical system to the alternative which is repeatedly called unproven, or quack medicine.
I can't take credit for it, I am sure I heard Dr. Tom Cowan say it :-) 😂
As soon as I figure out how to prove a negative, I'll be knocking on Steve's door to collect the dollahs 💰💵 😂
more like threats against fundraising and people not wanting to step out of the party line. I guess it's acceptable to admit that the "pandemic" was exaggerated, the response inappropriate, and the lockdowns and injections a bad thing — as long as you admit that therer was a virus. Then you can say anything. Just agree that there was a virus, otay?
I am not speculating, and his private life must have no bearing on his public life. I attended a public event with him and there was not one iota of security. You can say I didn't see it, but I know what to look for. There was only hotel security and it was extremely mild.
RFK's position is political science, not science. Del Bigtree — same. Reiner Fullmich — same. They are all pitching political science, which can pretend there is no evidence that a virus does not exist; and while they are free to do that, we must recognize the damage and NOT call this being a "truther" and certainly not "no censorship." If they have thrown a few crumbs to the "no virus issue," that is not enough. I want Massey, Cowan, Kaufman, Stone, Wallach et al interviewed on CHD — as they have all been presented and treated fairly on on PWFM
There is one standard of truth. RFK beings his book with the chapter, A MISHANDLED PANDEMIC. There was no pandemic. So he is lying out of the gate. He also prides himself on being precise about scientific details. He went on and on about that at the very presentation where I questioned him.
RFK Jr does the dance
https://chironreturn.org/rfk-jr-acknowledges-controversy-over-existence-of-sars-cov-2-and-of-all-viruses/
a good dude who tells a lot of convenient lies — convenient for him.