I am doing my best to sort out what this theory and movement are about. Please circulate this post and send over people who accept the idea and let's see what we learn. Thank you.
For Eric Dubay and Dave Weiss to convince anyone of anything, they must know absolutely nothing...Flat Earth Dave seems like he has some kind of neurological problem.
Is there a reason you're not responding to the comments that directly and honestly answer your questions? For you to sticky this comment when there are clearly direct answers to your questions that you haven't responded to feels disingenuous. And that's not a vibe I've gotten from you yet since I began following your work.
I couldn't tell you the specific solar mechanism by which the day is measured seeing as we've been lied to about what the sun is and it's relation to Earth. I also do not see what that has to do with establishing the dimensions of the Earth. Any manner of mathematics that detail orbits and tilts and spins can be created from false axioms that work out mathematically yet have no bearing on reality. None of that establishes a spherical earth which is a physical impossibility.
I am not satisfied with the directness or the specificity. I am seeing a lot of belief expressed, and appeal to authority (the guy who really knows, on Bitchute). I want an answer to ONE question simple enough for a kid to understand.
Day is measured sunrise to sunset. The Sun is about one/half of a degree in longitude so we can get that down to two minutes without special instruments. There is an easy answer if one understands latitude and knows that the closer to the equator one gets, the longer the days get (using the example cities and time of year provided above). Today in Kampala, Uganda, on the equator, the day was 12 hours and 7 minutes.
Brisbane, about 1800 miles south of the equator, but north of the Tropic of Capricorn, experienced a day being about 13 hours, 17 minutes. Tasmania, further south, had a day today that lasted 14 hours, 10 minutes.
This can be measured with precision every day of the year and the Sun will follow the axial tilt of the planet as it orbits and changes angles to the Sun's rays.
You asked for content creators and speakers so I'm not seeing how giving you the name of a content creator or speaker is an appeal to authority.
Sure the math is correct. You could shrink or expand the earth or sun, slow or speed their movements, and you could still make the math check out. The math is based on assumptions about what these objects are and their dimensions.
I do not have a belief about what the earth is one way or another. I assume it's oriented to the level because that's my everyday experience of it. It is the globe that requires belief. There are people who have beliefs about domes and ice walls and objects located at the poles and belief in maps that represent the earth accurately. I don't believe in any of that. I simply reject the heliocentric model. Curvature is not demonstrable nor measurable. Oceans cannot display rotundity on their surface. That's in violation to everyday demonstrable physics.
Well, to present a content creator as something other than an appeal to authority could include a one-sentence or one-paragraph explanation. I could reference the work of Mark Bailey without appealing to authority; I would sum up his position. But that is me.
As far as rotundity, and physics, we are talking about gravity. And there are only extremely incomplete theories that I know of — Sir Isaac and Einstein. None account for all of the perceived effects of gravity. What we do have is very deep oceans covering the globe. We might ask how that works. Presumably the attractive force of gravity is equal at every point in the ocean.
Flat Earther is a misnomer. A more rigorous identity is non-baller.
* What is the motive for official powers keeping the non-spherical Earth a secret? Were Galileo, Sir Isaac, and Kepler in on the coverup? Who profits from any potential psyop about the Earth being spherical?
The motive(s) are always a mixture. School teachers regurgitating outdated false knowledge; Scientists sticking to his mentors' school of thought; Societal prosperity as a whole probably benefits from believing in one ideology regardless its authenticity.
* Why do civilian airline pilots and former military pilots keep quiet?
They don't. There are hidden camera videos showing pilots conceding flat earth in the cockpit. (see Eric Dubay's '200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball (HD Remastered)' video)
* When I see a ship on the horizon seem to sink as it moves away from the shore, what is happening?
It is the biological limit of the human eye. You will see the ship again with camera lens.
* Are there other large, non-spherical planets? Have we ever seen one?
There is no ball shape planet as shown in the primary school classroom or NASA CGI videos. The Earth is proven flat and stationary (see more evidence below). It is ballers' burden to prove otherwise.
* What are your beliefs about the Moon? What holds the Moon in orbit if most of the mass of the Earth does not exist, as we believe it does?
Moon is not strictly non-baller territory. Non-ballers have been nice to offer answers to some Moon questions, similar to the situation as in 'what causes flu symptoms?'. One more point: The 'Newton's theorem of revolving orbits' were constructed before the construction of the black holes (97% of the mass of the 'universe'). Both can't be truth.
* Which way does gravity go on the underside? Would someone fall “down” (away from the body of the Earth) or would they stick to the bottom? What’s going on down there, and has anyone been there?
Non-baller says earth is not a ball. The existence of gravity does not decide the shape of the earth. Non-ballers don't claim to know what they don't know.
* What are the different viewpoints of geocentric Flat Earthers and heliocentric ones? What are the elements of this debate, within the Flat Earth community? Is the Earth orbiting anything, or does it stay put?
Non-ballers are one issue voter: show us hard evidence of the earth curvature first. Ideological debate can wait.
* Why don’t the oceans drain off into space?
Space is a theorem derived from an pseudo-axiom (i.e. 'Earth is a ball'). Non-ballers are challenging the pseudo-axiom.
* Are the North Pole and the South Pole the same place?
North Pole is the centre of a flat circle; South Pole is the flat circle circumference. The non-ballers have been nice to think a step further to remind the world that a compass would point into the earth ground if the earth is a 3D ball (instead of a 2D plane).
* If the Earth is not spherical, what keeps the bottom from falling out?
Gravity (as in the currently dominant worldview) would not allow it. Non-ballers would prefer the ballers not to raise questions on the inconsistency of the ball earth worldview to them.
* How do volcanos work? What is an earthquake?
The answers for these questions do not affect the shape of the earth.
* How do you feel about people who have circumnavigated the globe in boats or by airplane? Are they the most delusional of all?
One can circumnavigate the earth (East-West) on a flat earth, too. Non-ballers are asking the evidence to show the North-South circumnavigation is possible. Elon Musk could finance this easily, but he will never do it.
* When did you figure out that the Earth is flat, and what was your moment of revelation? Did you tell your parents?
I realised this when I heard Einstein said there was no way to prove the earth rotation on earth. The Asian culture is in general not a dichotomy. Plus, the Yin(Moon) yang(Sun) symbol is literally the Sun(Yang) chasing the Moon(Yin) on a flat earth.
* I listed a number of topics above in the first paragraph that seem to suggest the world is spherical. How do you address those things — such as time zones, or eclipses?
The initial time zone is artificially decided by the sun dial, a non-baller based device. Eclipses do not prove or disprove the shape of the earth.
* Where is your data or scientific evidence indicating that the planet is not a sphere? Can you point to any studies? What speakers make the best case?
The burden is on the ballers: show us the curvature without CGI (or the missing NASA Moon landing data) because on the earth ground it is proven flat. Eric Dubay.
I don't care people's worldview as long as they keep their 'ball earth' belief to themselves. The condescension from the tax funded reeducation camps (and the 'health authority') is the most insufferable.
I will say this. I do not have a belief in a "flat earth" nor do I identify as a "flat earther". I certainly do not think I live on a pizza dish floating in a vacuum like the cartoon image you posted up above suggests.
I believed I lived on a globe for over 30 years. I no longer hold that belief.
All you need to know is that pilots don't tilt the nose down on long flights to compensate for a curvature and no one flies over Antarctica because it's the icy circumference circling us. There's a reason so many countries have a slice of it and a weird contract of secrecy. Also, all of those stars "way out in outer space" never overlap as we "spin/rotate" through the vastness. There's a huge parallax issue. If you think a boat actually disappears over the horizon, pull out a telescope. Voila.
these guys have nothing. it's worse than a prank -- they are all deluding themselves, many high as a kite for having "disproven virology" -- which was easy. It was never real. Physics has always been solid, and a thing of breathtaking natural beauty.
The flat earth is the idea that took me the longest to dig into because of the manner of reaction you get when you bring it up. I had many questions and I also asked: “why would they hide the shape of the earth”? That question is exactly like asking :”why would the US attack itself on 9/11”. You don’t have to know why to prove that the US probably had a a huge part in planning the operation. However I’ll humor you. I believe the powers that be want to hide humanity’s true nature. If we are just a tiny planet in the infinite cosmos, we as humans are accidents of evolution as opposed to being the center of all creation. I also believe that the 7 continents are a fraction of the land on this plane and they certainly don’t want us to know about these other lands beyond Antarctica.
It’s very easy to prove the earth is a flat plane and it’s impossible to prove we are on a spinning globe. I know this because I was preparing to debate a flat earther and soon found the evidence so unconvincing that I backed out of the debate. Proving the globe was sooo much harder than I anticipated because all the NASA pics are CGI and the 1st real image taken by the 1st lunar mission was cleverly manipulated by the astronauts. The British documentary “Something Funny Happened On The Way to The Moon” (on odyssee)gained possession of some of the never released footage of the lunar mission which shows exactly how they manufactured the “blue marble” photo of earth.
The simplest evidence disproving the globe are visible objects that should be hidden by the curvature. We know the diameter of the earth and know the earth is supposed to curve 8 inches every mile squared. At a certain distance, objects should not be visible because they are beyond the horizon and obscured by the curvature of the earth. But we are able to see many objects over this alleged curvature; sometimes with our own eyes and sometimes with binoculars and certain powerful cameras. They are not “mirages” or “refractions” as they would have us believe. Keep in mind our eyes and cameras can only see in straight lines and not over curves. You can watch people do experiments on YouTube using cameras that can zoom in from 15 miles away. Again, that’s impossible on a globe that curves 8inches per mile squared. (Unless the globe is much larger of course): It’s really that simple. There is an app you can get and a YouTube channel that answers many of your questions. It’s called: Flat Earth, Sun, Moon & Zodiac. I would also highly recommend: Paul On the Plane (YouTube channel) who performs forensic analysis on images that come from NASA, satellites & space telescopes. Taboo Conspiracy or Taboo Conspiracy 2 (these YouTube channels may also be taken down). And Of course: Eric Dubay on YouTube.
<< At a certain distance, objects should not be visible because they are beyond the horizon and obscured by the curvature of the earth. But we are able to see many objects over this alleged curvature; sometimes with our own eyes and sometimes with binoculars and certain powerful cameras. >>
How exactly do you know this? Have you personally done an experiment?
I know a few content creators that have conducted this experiment and you can watch them do it as well. If you want to know about the flat earth, it takes work just like any other subject. How did you learn that cell cultures don’t prove the pathogenicity of a virus? I’m sure it didn’t fall on your lap. Questions like “have you ever lived near the shore” would sound like a dumb question to you if you spent 2 hours looking into the content people are recommending to you.
Some of these content creators stand on a beach and watch a ship as it begins to disappear beyond the horizon using a Nikon p1000 camera. Once the ship begins to fade from view they simply zoom in and can see the whole boat again. This is an experiment that you can do yourself with a Nikon p1000 or 900. Some have a person stand on the other side of a body of water miles away with a mirror. The mirror should be obscured by 40-50 feet behind the curve (8 inches per miles squared)...but they simply zoom in with a nikon and the person with the mirror suddenly appears. There are certain lighthouses in the world that ships can see that should be impossible to see from that distance.
Eric, I live in Boston and just because ships disappear from view does not mean they are hidden by curvature. Once I use binoculars I can see them again. Did my binoculars magically see over the curvature? Also, if you immersed yourself in the information that’s out there you would see many pilots who admit on camera IN THE COCKPIT that the earth is flat. The reason you haven’t heard pilots admit the earth is flat is because you have never bothered to look. Your “pilots haven’t talked argument is very similar to the “too many people would have to be involved in this conspiracy and people would have talked by now” argument. And yes, “why would they lie about that” is very similar to “why would they attack themselves’. It’s the same Logical fallacy. Just because you can’t think of a reason they would lie, doesn’t mean they didn’t lie.
Please read this book called:
KINGS DETHRONED by GERRARD HICKSON!!
This book methodically and logically expose the major flaws made by Copernicus and Galileo. I have the 1922 edition and it’s a classic.
Both Copernicus and Galileo thought the orbits were round. Kepler figured out that they are not. There are discoveries at every level of actual evolution of science.
At least once a week, I learn something crucial about the PCR. A whole new depth -- and I know a lot already.
Under quantum theory, everything is a probability. In a universe of infinite scale, every possibility must exist simultaneously, somewhere in the universe. That means that somewhere, I am a rock lyricist who hangs out in a few different coffee houses in Amsterdam all day writing albums for several fantastic bands. There is also a planet where if you wash your hair, you put out a forest fire.
Re "Flat Earth" I am talking about known physics at this time in this epoch on Planet Earth, Melkweg Galaxy
Eric you're talking about theoretical concepts (quantum theory, bending of spacetime, gravity, orbs "attracting" eachother) that only apply to "scales" that we can't practically demonstrate. You are in imagination land defending a deeply programmed belief.
You really need to absorb Jason's material. See if you can still maintain this position after doing so. 🙏 Also, starting at around the 11-minute mark and going for a few minutes, this is an excellent little simulation-theory summary of materialistic astrology's major blind spot ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W7YZIJ7Fu0&ab_channel=WatersAbove
I am giving this a listen from 11 minutes...am I correct that you think we ARE a simulation or we are living in a simulation? If the latter, who made the simulation and why? If you say we are a simulation, we would never have a way to prove it and it would not matter. Reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode Five Characters in Search of an Exit
The guy who uploaded that video claims he's using a low distortion lens which causes the slight curvature of the image. I'm still waiting for a practical reference. Let me know when you can get a body of water to display curvature on its surface.
Actually, my position is that the debate is totally irrelevant in a Simulation. Both sides can support their viewpoints with "science." I'm talking extreme relativism here in which consciousness does, indeed, create reality. Period. End of story. Or, you prefer, the beginning of genuine self-exploration. This rabbit hole is deep indeed and, yes, also can be applied to the current debate raging around virology, which I've participated in. I have many more nuanced thoughts on this subject that I'm not prepared to unpack here, but if you tune into my channel I hope to begin sharing those in the near future. 🙏
So, my scrambled rant with what I've heard is... No country is allowed to Antarctica. No fly zone, etc. Top secret shit there. They believe the solid rock/ice circled the flat earth entirely, and the sun & moon rotate around us, (video on flat Earth society on Twitter) giving day & night but not is spinning as fast as the planet is said to be. If it were spinning THAT fast, why would people jump off a plane, do hot air balloon rides, etc and then land in the same spot they're supposed to? Wouldn't they be landing somewhere else?
Also, the sea is the same level everywhere. The "mountains" (Like North Pole / South Pole).. Antarctica.. are tall enough to keep the water in. So, there's edges... But it's top secret.
NASA doesn't provide true images. Everything is nicely made by Photoshop. Down to colors and details. Schoolbook photos aren't true images. Moon landing is fake and Mars looks exactly like Arizona and New Mexico footage.
No one has a real picture from a microscope showing what NASA will show.
stars are blurs. That's what you'll see looking very far. Almost as you're looking through a dome, And cannot get a clear image. Or, like viewing through water.
Flat Earth society will Literally answer anything if you ask on Twitter.
No reason why pilots and anyone in aircraft don't say anything.
It's interesting.... I don't know what to believe.
But one I really find interesting, and many videos are out there, where if you're on a boat looking out towards see at the horizon and then see another boat and it's starting to disappear because of the "curve" If you keep zooming in, the boat never actually disappears. It's simply not going over a curve.. If binoculars were designed so much better, you could just keep zooming in on the boat going farther away from you.
Lowest points of the earth are still sea level, or below. Which seems like it's flat. -
the oceans, seas have secrets below.
I've also heard that the tides are pulled with MAGNETS. This could be a moon thing of course.
Would make maybe a shred of sense.
-A lot of them still stick to "The 4 corners of the earth", & also how maps were always flat earth up until a certain point in history where the globe was invented. Then history just ran with that. Not 100% science. It's odd. I just don't know but I don't have anything to refute some of what I've seen & heard.
Some of it would make better sense to me. The question is why are we being lied to.
There are a ton of people who fight with the flat earth society on Twitter every single day, but I keep finding that not always, but a lot of the time... The flat earth believers have some really good observations and sometimes answers that make a lot more sense. They also argue a lot less because they want to get others to believe...
I still don't know of any scientific evidence however. 🤷🏻♀️
That was only a small part of what I wrote though. I don't know much, but some is what I've gathered from others, a slice from them. We know nothing for sure, right?
We could also all be one big experiment in a petri dish & that's flat and would explain all flatness & no other questions would be needed aaaaaaahhh! (Being kind of serious) - In a silly way. We're in a computer chip or a under a microscope. How creepy would that be. A similation, no earth 😟 What else causes major scale deja vu's or major scale coincidences? We may have been programmed ions ago.
Hi Michael. Hello from Auckland whatever city you are in. I assume you are the Michael S from Christine's FOIA collection fame. Just want to say thanks and appreciate your efforts.
I assume since you dont use your full name that you dont have any platform you make content for? If im wrong, would love to know where i can follow your work.
Hi Eric. I'm glad you're broaching this topic. One thing I will recommend is that you contact a guy named Del who runs the youtube channel Beyond the Imaginary Curve. He invites people onto his live streams for friendly rational discussion. I think you two could have a fascinating and respectful conversation. There is no better person to speak with on this subject in a clear and objective manner. Lots of others will talk about things that can't be proven such as domes and ice walls. I'll also give some short answers to your questions here.
One motive could be financial. Nasa and the rest of the space agencies rake in millions of dollars every year to produce what are clearly low budget cgi films. A deeper motive could be about control. Maybe there is more land and resources, but they are keeping humanity psychologically fenced in to a certain area by presenting the continents as all the land there is. Even deeper still and one can argue that the ball earth paradigm, along with evolution, atheism, scientism, are spiritually neutering humanity and fueling nihilism and apathy. Ultimately, the motive is secondary to establishing what objective reality is.
Pilots are like any other humans who believe what they've been told. Why do so many virologists keep quiet? Because they believe the nonsense they've been taught. You of all people should understand this point. Many pilots do admit the earth looks "flat" from high altitudes.
Ships sink beyond the horizon because they are reaching the limit of our vision. Just as a row of street lights appears to descend into the horizon as they recede away from us. The way we perceive the world is not the way the world objectively is.
You go on to make many assumptions about "outer space". The Flat disk floating in space is a cartoon and a straw man. Basically it seems we have been lied to about the celestial bodies in the sky, about where they are and what they are. Amateur photography with lenses much stronger than those used in Galileos day show the planets as pulsating discs of light. It is only nasas photoshopped images that appear to show globular Terra firma.
The rest of your questions will be answered succinctly and objectively by Del. There is no better content creator to speak with about the subject and I sincerely hope you shoot him an email.
Edit: one more answer to your questions. The best data point is easily the behavior and physics of water. Water always seeks its own level and presents a horizontal surface at rest. You simply cannot have large bodies of water curving and clinging to the exterior of a ball. Nowhere in reality can we objectively demonstrate this happening. Cheers
Edit 2: it helps to think not that the earth is "flat" because it clearly isn't. There are mountains and valleys. The realm we exist in is demonstrably a level plane.
I went and confirmed Del's email if you're interested in having a chat with him: abchao77@gmail.com
I am listening to Jason Breshears right now...he is mentioning some books I have read like Stalking the Wild Pendulum and The Holographic Universe. According to Breshears, he thinks we are in a hologram of reality... that globe earth exists, but we are in a simulacrum of reality so the plane we are on is just a construct...a mirror of reality.
"The earth is said to be spinning at a rate of over 1,000 miles per hour on an invisible axis. The earth is said to be rotating around the sun at over 67,000 miles per hour, causing us to whip through the Milky Way galaxy at over 500,000 miles per hour.
All the while, the Milky Way galaxy is purportedly expanding at the speed of light, traveling roughly 670 million miles per hour.
With the earth purportedly traversing over 21 million miles per day, one would expect vertigo and dizziness to be a way of life, but that is not the case."
Vertigo does not happen without a frame of reference to judge by. You do not see objects spinning by earth out in space, close up, so no sense of motion.
Good point. I didn't know the globe is 24,000 miles in circumference, therefore it's only going a thousand miles in an hour. My buddy just told me this is not a valid FE argument. But, he has dozens of other points that do question round earth.
Eric, big fan, especially your work with the no virus group - of which I am one.
I look at the arguments and some are quite persuading - on the fence I guess. After many years of research it strikes me that just about everything I have accepted from the owners is false - more than this - in reverse! ( there are of course Christian references for this).
Please, get Eric DuBay on your podcast - this would be great!
Q: Why do engineers lay hundreds of miles of track with no allowance for curvature? Why do pilots not adjust course for curvature? Those and many other questions need believable, fact based answers.
Railways: the curvature is vanishingly small in relation to flexibility of many miles of track. As diameter of a sphere tends to infinity, the curve on the surface tends to planar. In short, we don’t need to take account of it because it’s too small as effect.
Air navigation: don’t they use Great Circle routes, which yields a fixed bearing when flying from point A to point B?
LOL, Eric, you are the man! A bunch of posts mentioning David Weiss... I've listened to him, he has a gift for marketing and knows that any publicity is good publicity, however, he has no idea what he's talking about when it concerns the Earth. Notice that there is no "Flat Earth" scholarship, no papers to dissect, just video to watch, a symptom of the digital age. Yesterday afternoon as I was doing laps in Prospect Park, Brooklyn on my bike, I notice that the sunset is not only occurring earlier but also in a different position in the sky and that's taking into consideration daylight savings time. Where I live there's a specific time of the year where the sun comes through the window in the front and back of my house at the same time in the morning. If the Earth were flat and stationary I wouldn't be observing these things. I also wouldn't be observing these things if all I was paying attention to was the Internet.
Dave Weiss sounds kinda ridiculous, but I am listening to Jason Breshears...an entirely different animal. I am at the place in the video where he posits that the universe we are taught exists is real, but that WE are in a simulacrum of that, a mirror of the real. It's pretty interesting. He brought up books in my library like Stalking the Wild Pendulum and the Holographic Universe. He says the reason one can do mathematics that result in both a flat earth or globe earth is because are in a construct. I have much to go...I am only at 35 minutes of an hour and half video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d53ueewCwnM
99% of FE is rehashed New Age horseshit from guys who did not read enough science fiction as kids. they are making this shit up out of recycled hand-me-down misinterpreted quantum, spiritualism, the idea that existence is part of the Maya, yada.
If you want to read an interesting book, try The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot. The spiritual properties of our existence -- whatever they may be -- can defy the laws of physics, but those are very special moments, and the product of genuine faith and NOT this kind of spectacle carnival woo woo circus. They have nothing to do with why it's night time in the Philippines right now and why I can tell you what time the Sun will rise in Honolulu on April 4. The are capitalizing on confusion and mixing up orders of reality.
Yes, Jesus can guide you home if you are lost in the Indian Ocean. But you can also count on your sextant, compass and/or GPS. And those things work for a reason.
I have that book right next to me, after pulling it off my shelf today along with Stanislof Grof's The Holotropic Mind...this after listening to Jason Breshears. Instead of listening to Weiss, who I tried to listen to and think is foolish, Breshears has more interesting things to say.
At least Breshears believes the model of the universe with the planets and the galaxies is a model of reality.
It's just that he also thinks we are not living in that model...but a simulacrum of it.
It's an idea in the realm of sci fi like you say...Philip K. Dick has touched on these ideas. I loved Valis and the books after it, The Divine Invasion and The Transmigration of Timothy Archer.
they should speak for themselves. and if we're "not living in that model," why does the Sunrise Equation work?
The problem with these shemdricks is that they are constantly telling other people what should be real for them, and not saying what is real for themSELVES. They come on like hustlers who know the bottom line of all reality.
I think it's a living for them? I don't know. But the digital space as the medium of communication has lead people to think nothing is real that is reported by mainstream media...that everything is faked. A couple of substack guys argued with me that the Manson murders never happened, that no mass murder ever happened, it's all done with actors. One of them even argued with me that the Manson girls are actually men playing the part of women. So I sent them a song written according to them by a spook from the Tavistock Institute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtUH9z_Oey8
This would be funny if it wasn't so scary. Many of the responders here are under some kind of mind control, preventing them from looking at their surroundings and making sense of it.
please listen to the explanations from Dave Weiss. I know you dont like him, but he shows how all the movements of the sun, including the changes of seasons etc. can be done one flat stationary earth as well.
Please understand that without any pictures I can show, and with English not beeing my language it is difficult for me to explain the details.
No Maria, you explain what was perfectly explained to you, in your words. I don't dislike Dave Weiss however he doesn't know what he's talking about when talking about the shape of the Earth.
No Phil, you do your own work like I did. listen to those with "expertise" and make up your own mind. compare their models with the one we have been shown our entire life and than decide what makes more sense for you.
For me, Daves presentations are pretty good in explaining his views and thesis. By the way, he has more fact on hand about the globe-model than those who defend it so hardly. have fun exploring other views.
sorry Phil, but you are caught in a bubble. Do you really want to wait for big-politics, big-media or NASA to support or pay for any sort of research and publications that proove they have been telling lies? No, they are doing whatever they can to cover up their deceptions.
A video presented to me (might have even been posted during this discussion, though i think it was actually on my Substack) showed sticks of 4-6 inches on a table in a room with the ceiling light on, and different shadow lengths. This proportion would (assuming a standard 10 ft high room) would have the sun (if using 6 ft sticks) be a couple of hundred feet above the earth's surface. :-) When i pointed this out to the Flat Earther, he insisted that the idea was correct, there is more than one way to look at things. LOL.
For Eric Dubay and Dave Weiss to convince anyone of anything, they must know absolutely nothing...Flat Earth Dave seems like he has some kind of neurological problem.
46 comments so far — has anyone answered even one of my questions directly? Should be easy.
I answered a few of them directly. Perhaps you missed my comment?
Today in Kingston, the length of day today was: 10h 07m
Today in Mexico City, the length of day today was: 11h 19m
Why?
Is there a reason you're not responding to the comments that directly and honestly answer your questions? For you to sticky this comment when there are clearly direct answers to your questions that you haven't responded to feels disingenuous. And that's not a vibe I've gotten from you yet since I began following your work.
I couldn't tell you the specific solar mechanism by which the day is measured seeing as we've been lied to about what the sun is and it's relation to Earth. I also do not see what that has to do with establishing the dimensions of the Earth. Any manner of mathematics that detail orbits and tilts and spins can be created from false axioms that work out mathematically yet have no bearing on reality. None of that establishes a spherical earth which is a physical impossibility.
I am not satisfied with the directness or the specificity. I am seeing a lot of belief expressed, and appeal to authority (the guy who really knows, on Bitchute). I want an answer to ONE question simple enough for a kid to understand.
Day is measured sunrise to sunset. The Sun is about one/half of a degree in longitude so we can get that down to two minutes without special instruments. There is an easy answer if one understands latitude and knows that the closer to the equator one gets, the longer the days get (using the example cities and time of year provided above). Today in Kampala, Uganda, on the equator, the day was 12 hours and 7 minutes.
Brisbane, about 1800 miles south of the equator, but north of the Tropic of Capricorn, experienced a day being about 13 hours, 17 minutes. Tasmania, further south, had a day today that lasted 14 hours, 10 minutes.
This can be measured with precision every day of the year and the Sun will follow the axial tilt of the planet as it orbits and changes angles to the Sun's rays.
Does this fail at any point on the globe?
You asked for content creators and speakers so I'm not seeing how giving you the name of a content creator or speaker is an appeal to authority.
Sure the math is correct. You could shrink or expand the earth or sun, slow or speed their movements, and you could still make the math check out. The math is based on assumptions about what these objects are and their dimensions.
I do not have a belief about what the earth is one way or another. I assume it's oriented to the level because that's my everyday experience of it. It is the globe that requires belief. There are people who have beliefs about domes and ice walls and objects located at the poles and belief in maps that represent the earth accurately. I don't believe in any of that. I simply reject the heliocentric model. Curvature is not demonstrable nor measurable. Oceans cannot display rotundity on their surface. That's in violation to everyday demonstrable physics.
Well, to present a content creator as something other than an appeal to authority could include a one-sentence or one-paragraph explanation. I could reference the work of Mark Bailey without appealing to authority; I would sum up his position. But that is me.
As far as rotundity, and physics, we are talking about gravity. And there are only extremely incomplete theories that I know of — Sir Isaac and Einstein. None account for all of the perceived effects of gravity. What we do have is very deep oceans covering the globe. We might ask how that works. Presumably the attractive force of gravity is equal at every point in the ocean.
mexico city is closer to the equator. Kingston is not. Are you serious ???
Can you move up ONE example to this thread for easy analysis and focus?
Flat Earther is a misnomer. A more rigorous identity is non-baller.
* What is the motive for official powers keeping the non-spherical Earth a secret? Were Galileo, Sir Isaac, and Kepler in on the coverup? Who profits from any potential psyop about the Earth being spherical?
The motive(s) are always a mixture. School teachers regurgitating outdated false knowledge; Scientists sticking to his mentors' school of thought; Societal prosperity as a whole probably benefits from believing in one ideology regardless its authenticity.
* Why do civilian airline pilots and former military pilots keep quiet?
They don't. There are hidden camera videos showing pilots conceding flat earth in the cockpit. (see Eric Dubay's '200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball (HD Remastered)' video)
* When I see a ship on the horizon seem to sink as it moves away from the shore, what is happening?
It is the biological limit of the human eye. You will see the ship again with camera lens.
* Are there other large, non-spherical planets? Have we ever seen one?
There is no ball shape planet as shown in the primary school classroom or NASA CGI videos. The Earth is proven flat and stationary (see more evidence below). It is ballers' burden to prove otherwise.
* What are your beliefs about the Moon? What holds the Moon in orbit if most of the mass of the Earth does not exist, as we believe it does?
Moon is not strictly non-baller territory. Non-ballers have been nice to offer answers to some Moon questions, similar to the situation as in 'what causes flu symptoms?'. One more point: The 'Newton's theorem of revolving orbits' were constructed before the construction of the black holes (97% of the mass of the 'universe'). Both can't be truth.
* Which way does gravity go on the underside? Would someone fall “down” (away from the body of the Earth) or would they stick to the bottom? What’s going on down there, and has anyone been there?
Non-baller says earth is not a ball. The existence of gravity does not decide the shape of the earth. Non-ballers don't claim to know what they don't know.
* What are the different viewpoints of geocentric Flat Earthers and heliocentric ones? What are the elements of this debate, within the Flat Earth community? Is the Earth orbiting anything, or does it stay put?
Non-ballers are one issue voter: show us hard evidence of the earth curvature first. Ideological debate can wait.
* Why don’t the oceans drain off into space?
Space is a theorem derived from an pseudo-axiom (i.e. 'Earth is a ball'). Non-ballers are challenging the pseudo-axiom.
* Are the North Pole and the South Pole the same place?
North Pole is the centre of a flat circle; South Pole is the flat circle circumference. The non-ballers have been nice to think a step further to remind the world that a compass would point into the earth ground if the earth is a 3D ball (instead of a 2D plane).
* If the Earth is not spherical, what keeps the bottom from falling out?
Gravity (as in the currently dominant worldview) would not allow it. Non-ballers would prefer the ballers not to raise questions on the inconsistency of the ball earth worldview to them.
* How do volcanos work? What is an earthquake?
The answers for these questions do not affect the shape of the earth.
* How do you feel about people who have circumnavigated the globe in boats or by airplane? Are they the most delusional of all?
One can circumnavigate the earth (East-West) on a flat earth, too. Non-ballers are asking the evidence to show the North-South circumnavigation is possible. Elon Musk could finance this easily, but he will never do it.
* When did you figure out that the Earth is flat, and what was your moment of revelation? Did you tell your parents?
I realised this when I heard Einstein said there was no way to prove the earth rotation on earth. The Asian culture is in general not a dichotomy. Plus, the Yin(Moon) yang(Sun) symbol is literally the Sun(Yang) chasing the Moon(Yin) on a flat earth.
* I listed a number of topics above in the first paragraph that seem to suggest the world is spherical. How do you address those things — such as time zones, or eclipses?
The initial time zone is artificially decided by the sun dial, a non-baller based device. Eclipses do not prove or disprove the shape of the earth.
* Where is your data or scientific evidence indicating that the planet is not a sphere? Can you point to any studies? What speakers make the best case?
The burden is on the ballers: show us the curvature without CGI (or the missing NASA Moon landing data) because on the earth ground it is proven flat. Eric Dubay.
He got mad quiet didn't he? lol
who got mad quiet? I've been busy writing about Ball Mars Retrograde as Ball Earth passes between it and Ball Sun, having a real ball
ball-oney
I don't care people's worldview as long as they keep their 'ball earth' belief to themselves. The condescension from the tax funded reeducation camps (and the 'health authority') is the most insufferable.
Eric is a saint in this respect.
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I will say this. I do not have a belief in a "flat earth" nor do I identify as a "flat earther". I certainly do not think I live on a pizza dish floating in a vacuum like the cartoon image you posted up above suggests.
I believed I lived on a globe for over 30 years. I no longer hold that belief.
All you need to know is that pilots don't tilt the nose down on long flights to compensate for a curvature and no one flies over Antarctica because it's the icy circumference circling us. There's a reason so many countries have a slice of it and a weird contract of secrecy. Also, all of those stars "way out in outer space" never overlap as we "spin/rotate" through the vastness. There's a huge parallax issue. If you think a boat actually disappears over the horizon, pull out a telescope. Voila.
"Pointing the nose down" is about the angle of attack. Such has nothing to do with compensating for the shape of the ground.
On a sphere, the ground curves about half an inch for every 4,000 feet. That is unrelated to the angle of attack.
well why can't I see the sun through a telescope when it dips below the horizon, or as you claim, just moves further away
Because you forgot to take the cap off.
NOT!
these guys have nothing. it's worse than a prank -- they are all deluding themselves, many high as a kite for having "disproven virology" -- which was easy. It was never real. Physics has always been solid, and a thing of breathtaking natural beauty.
But physics can be faked like anything else, hence why so many people think we landed on the moon in a tin can wrapped in foil.
I’m warming to the idea that the heart isn’t a pump & blood doesn’t go around endless loops.
The flat earth is the idea that took me the longest to dig into because of the manner of reaction you get when you bring it up. I had many questions and I also asked: “why would they hide the shape of the earth”? That question is exactly like asking :”why would the US attack itself on 9/11”. You don’t have to know why to prove that the US probably had a a huge part in planning the operation. However I’ll humor you. I believe the powers that be want to hide humanity’s true nature. If we are just a tiny planet in the infinite cosmos, we as humans are accidents of evolution as opposed to being the center of all creation. I also believe that the 7 continents are a fraction of the land on this plane and they certainly don’t want us to know about these other lands beyond Antarctica.
It’s very easy to prove the earth is a flat plane and it’s impossible to prove we are on a spinning globe. I know this because I was preparing to debate a flat earther and soon found the evidence so unconvincing that I backed out of the debate. Proving the globe was sooo much harder than I anticipated because all the NASA pics are CGI and the 1st real image taken by the 1st lunar mission was cleverly manipulated by the astronauts. The British documentary “Something Funny Happened On The Way to The Moon” (on odyssee)gained possession of some of the never released footage of the lunar mission which shows exactly how they manufactured the “blue marble” photo of earth.
The simplest evidence disproving the globe are visible objects that should be hidden by the curvature. We know the diameter of the earth and know the earth is supposed to curve 8 inches every mile squared. At a certain distance, objects should not be visible because they are beyond the horizon and obscured by the curvature of the earth. But we are able to see many objects over this alleged curvature; sometimes with our own eyes and sometimes with binoculars and certain powerful cameras. They are not “mirages” or “refractions” as they would have us believe. Keep in mind our eyes and cameras can only see in straight lines and not over curves. You can watch people do experiments on YouTube using cameras that can zoom in from 15 miles away. Again, that’s impossible on a globe that curves 8inches per mile squared. (Unless the globe is much larger of course): It’s really that simple. There is an app you can get and a YouTube channel that answers many of your questions. It’s called: Flat Earth, Sun, Moon & Zodiac. I would also highly recommend: Paul On the Plane (YouTube channel) who performs forensic analysis on images that come from NASA, satellites & space telescopes. Taboo Conspiracy or Taboo Conspiracy 2 (these YouTube channels may also be taken down). And Of course: Eric Dubay on YouTube.
<< “why would they hide the shape of the earth”? That question is exactly like asking :”why would the US attack itself on 9/11”. >>
Very different questions, Salvatore...
<< At a certain distance, objects should not be visible because they are beyond the horizon and obscured by the curvature of the earth. But we are able to see many objects over this alleged curvature; sometimes with our own eyes and sometimes with binoculars and certain powerful cameras. >>
How exactly do you know this? Have you personally done an experiment?
I know a few content creators that have conducted this experiment and you can watch them do it as well. If you want to know about the flat earth, it takes work just like any other subject. How did you learn that cell cultures don’t prove the pathogenicity of a virus? I’m sure it didn’t fall on your lap. Questions like “have you ever lived near the shore” would sound like a dumb question to you if you spent 2 hours looking into the content people are recommending to you.
Some of these content creators stand on a beach and watch a ship as it begins to disappear beyond the horizon using a Nikon p1000 camera. Once the ship begins to fade from view they simply zoom in and can see the whole boat again. This is an experiment that you can do yourself with a Nikon p1000 or 900. Some have a person stand on the other side of a body of water miles away with a mirror. The mirror should be obscured by 40-50 feet behind the curve (8 inches per miles squared)...but they simply zoom in with a nikon and the person with the mirror suddenly appears. There are certain lighthouses in the world that ships can see that should be impossible to see from that distance.
Eric, I live in Boston and just because ships disappear from view does not mean they are hidden by curvature. Once I use binoculars I can see them again. Did my binoculars magically see over the curvature? Also, if you immersed yourself in the information that’s out there you would see many pilots who admit on camera IN THE COCKPIT that the earth is flat. The reason you haven’t heard pilots admit the earth is flat is because you have never bothered to look. Your “pilots haven’t talked argument is very similar to the “too many people would have to be involved in this conspiracy and people would have talked by now” argument. And yes, “why would they lie about that” is very similar to “why would they attack themselves’. It’s the same Logical fallacy. Just because you can’t think of a reason they would lie, doesn’t mean they didn’t lie.
Please read this book called:
KINGS DETHRONED by GERRARD HICKSON!!
This book methodically and logically expose the major flaws made by Copernicus and Galileo. I have the 1922 edition and it’s a classic.
Both Copernicus and Galileo thought the orbits were round. Kepler figured out that they are not. There are discoveries at every level of actual evolution of science.
At least once a week, I learn something crucial about the PCR. A whole new depth -- and I know a lot already.
I love how it's always a Nikon but not a Canon.
You might consider checking out the voluminous work of Jason Breshears and begin applying simulation theory to this situation, which allows, simultaneously, for both a flat earth and a globe (as well as, FWIW, viruses AND their nonexistence) ... Here's my recent interview with Jason ... https://solluckman.substack.com/p/coding-loops-inside-the-simulacrum ... We'll be doing Round 2 in December ... As for flat earth itself, here's my interview with Dave Weiss, aka Flat Earth Dave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3YPNHOVNf4&t=3132s&ab_channel=CrowRising
Under quantum theory, everything is a probability. In a universe of infinite scale, every possibility must exist simultaneously, somewhere in the universe. That means that somewhere, I am a rock lyricist who hangs out in a few different coffee houses in Amsterdam all day writing albums for several fantastic bands. There is also a planet where if you wash your hair, you put out a forest fire.
Re "Flat Earth" I am talking about known physics at this time in this epoch on Planet Earth, Melkweg Galaxy
Eric you're talking about theoretical concepts (quantum theory, bending of spacetime, gravity, orbs "attracting" eachother) that only apply to "scales" that we can't practically demonstrate. You are in imagination land defending a deeply programmed belief.
You really need to absorb Jason's material. See if you can still maintain this position after doing so. 🙏 Also, starting at around the 11-minute mark and going for a few minutes, this is an excellent little simulation-theory summary of materialistic astrology's major blind spot ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W7YZIJ7Fu0&ab_channel=WatersAbove
I am giving this a listen from 11 minutes...am I correct that you think we ARE a simulation or we are living in a simulation? If the latter, who made the simulation and why? If you say we are a simulation, we would never have a way to prove it and it would not matter. Reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode Five Characters in Search of an Exit
Here's Jason's newest interview where he jumps right into what he means by simulation theory ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d53ueewCwnM&ab_channel=DecodeYourReality ... I've also been giving interviews on this topic. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt5pIHdhP0o&ab_channel=CrowRising
Instead of spewing a bunch of nonsense, please provide me with practical reference for earth curvature.
The guy who uploaded that video claims he's using a low distortion lens which causes the slight curvature of the image. I'm still waiting for a practical reference. Let me know when you can get a body of water to display curvature on its surface.
You might be surprised by the number of people in our movement who have flat-earth tendencies, Michael. Some of our top folks.
Michael, with due respect,
I would urge you to moderate your speech.
You are talking about "gullible people" and "jewish salesmen" and then pointing fingers at the division ///others/// are doing?
Brother, you should check yourself.
I urge you to tone it back a couple of notches.
You're not going to win any friends or arguments this way.
Put away your bludgeon and switch back to logic.
Don't forget compassion for all beings.
Actually, my position is that the debate is totally irrelevant in a Simulation. Both sides can support their viewpoints with "science." I'm talking extreme relativism here in which consciousness does, indeed, create reality. Period. End of story. Or, you prefer, the beginning of genuine self-exploration. This rabbit hole is deep indeed and, yes, also can be applied to the current debate raging around virology, which I've participated in. I have many more nuanced thoughts on this subject that I'm not prepared to unpack here, but if you tune into my channel I hope to begin sharing those in the near future. 🙏
Listen. Watch. Learn. Question. Explore humility.
I know someone well that really believes this.
So, my scrambled rant with what I've heard is... No country is allowed to Antarctica. No fly zone, etc. Top secret shit there. They believe the solid rock/ice circled the flat earth entirely, and the sun & moon rotate around us, (video on flat Earth society on Twitter) giving day & night but not is spinning as fast as the planet is said to be. If it were spinning THAT fast, why would people jump off a plane, do hot air balloon rides, etc and then land in the same spot they're supposed to? Wouldn't they be landing somewhere else?
Also, the sea is the same level everywhere. The "mountains" (Like North Pole / South Pole).. Antarctica.. are tall enough to keep the water in. So, there's edges... But it's top secret.
NASA doesn't provide true images. Everything is nicely made by Photoshop. Down to colors and details. Schoolbook photos aren't true images. Moon landing is fake and Mars looks exactly like Arizona and New Mexico footage.
No one has a real picture from a microscope showing what NASA will show.
stars are blurs. That's what you'll see looking very far. Almost as you're looking through a dome, And cannot get a clear image. Or, like viewing through water.
Flat Earth society will Literally answer anything if you ask on Twitter.
No reason why pilots and anyone in aircraft don't say anything.
It's interesting.... I don't know what to believe.
But one I really find interesting, and many videos are out there, where if you're on a boat looking out towards see at the horizon and then see another boat and it's starting to disappear because of the "curve" If you keep zooming in, the boat never actually disappears. It's simply not going over a curve.. If binoculars were designed so much better, you could just keep zooming in on the boat going farther away from you.
Lowest points of the earth are still sea level, or below. Which seems like it's flat. -
the oceans, seas have secrets below.
I've also heard that the tides are pulled with MAGNETS. This could be a moon thing of course.
Would make maybe a shred of sense.
-A lot of them still stick to "The 4 corners of the earth", & also how maps were always flat earth up until a certain point in history where the globe was invented. Then history just ran with that. Not 100% science. It's odd. I just don't know but I don't have anything to refute some of what I've seen & heard.
Some of it would make better sense to me. The question is why are we being lied to.
There are a ton of people who fight with the flat earth society on Twitter every single day, but I keep finding that not always, but a lot of the time... The flat earth believers have some really good observations and sometimes answers that make a lot more sense. They also argue a lot less because they want to get others to believe...
I still don't know of any scientific evidence however. 🤷🏻♀️
Well said!
Thanks!
It's me just rattling off my experience from my close pal & observations. I wish he would hop on here & do a write up, but I don't think he will.
He also thinks the sun is much smaller and closer than what we're told also, but that's another rabbit hole. (I almost believe it myself)
The Flat Earth Society is CIA. Hard pass.
That was only a small part of what I wrote though. I don't know much, but some is what I've gathered from others, a slice from them. We know nothing for sure, right?
We could also all be one big experiment in a petri dish & that's flat and would explain all flatness & no other questions would be needed aaaaaaahhh! (Being kind of serious) - In a silly way. We're in a computer chip or a under a microscope. How creepy would that be. A similation, no earth 😟 What else causes major scale deja vu's or major scale coincidences? We may have been programmed ions ago.
Mathematics.
My bad.
Yes there can be cruises. They go to 1 or 2 certain points only though.. It's extremely vast.
To see anything more, then you're either military or a scientific researcher to see "More".
Those require an a special permit from a Treaty Party. Again, there was only so much I could explain above, so I'm sorry for the misunderstanding
Hi Michael. Hello from Auckland whatever city you are in. I assume you are the Michael S from Christine's FOIA collection fame. Just want to say thanks and appreciate your efforts.
I assume since you dont use your full name that you dont have any platform you make content for? If im wrong, would love to know where i can follow your work.
Shhhh!!
Hi Eric. I'm glad you're broaching this topic. One thing I will recommend is that you contact a guy named Del who runs the youtube channel Beyond the Imaginary Curve. He invites people onto his live streams for friendly rational discussion. I think you two could have a fascinating and respectful conversation. There is no better person to speak with on this subject in a clear and objective manner. Lots of others will talk about things that can't be proven such as domes and ice walls. I'll also give some short answers to your questions here.
One motive could be financial. Nasa and the rest of the space agencies rake in millions of dollars every year to produce what are clearly low budget cgi films. A deeper motive could be about control. Maybe there is more land and resources, but they are keeping humanity psychologically fenced in to a certain area by presenting the continents as all the land there is. Even deeper still and one can argue that the ball earth paradigm, along with evolution, atheism, scientism, are spiritually neutering humanity and fueling nihilism and apathy. Ultimately, the motive is secondary to establishing what objective reality is.
Pilots are like any other humans who believe what they've been told. Why do so many virologists keep quiet? Because they believe the nonsense they've been taught. You of all people should understand this point. Many pilots do admit the earth looks "flat" from high altitudes.
Ships sink beyond the horizon because they are reaching the limit of our vision. Just as a row of street lights appears to descend into the horizon as they recede away from us. The way we perceive the world is not the way the world objectively is.
You go on to make many assumptions about "outer space". The Flat disk floating in space is a cartoon and a straw man. Basically it seems we have been lied to about the celestial bodies in the sky, about where they are and what they are. Amateur photography with lenses much stronger than those used in Galileos day show the planets as pulsating discs of light. It is only nasas photoshopped images that appear to show globular Terra firma.
The rest of your questions will be answered succinctly and objectively by Del. There is no better content creator to speak with about the subject and I sincerely hope you shoot him an email.
Edit: one more answer to your questions. The best data point is easily the behavior and physics of water. Water always seeks its own level and presents a horizontal surface at rest. You simply cannot have large bodies of water curving and clinging to the exterior of a ball. Nowhere in reality can we objectively demonstrate this happening. Cheers
Edit 2: it helps to think not that the earth is "flat" because it clearly isn't. There are mountains and valleys. The realm we exist in is demonstrably a level plane.
I went and confirmed Del's email if you're interested in having a chat with him: abchao77@gmail.com
I am listening to Jason Breshears right now...he is mentioning some books I have read like Stalking the Wild Pendulum and The Holographic Universe. According to Breshears, he thinks we are in a hologram of reality... that globe earth exists, but we are in a simulacrum of reality so the plane we are on is just a construct...a mirror of reality.
Eric DuBay and Dave Weiss have videos on this subject on YouTube and Bitchute.
"The earth is said to be spinning at a rate of over 1,000 miles per hour on an invisible axis. The earth is said to be rotating around the sun at over 67,000 miles per hour, causing us to whip through the Milky Way galaxy at over 500,000 miles per hour.
All the while, the Milky Way galaxy is purportedly expanding at the speed of light, traveling roughly 670 million miles per hour.
With the earth purportedly traversing over 21 million miles per day, one would expect vertigo and dizziness to be a way of life, but that is not the case."
Vertigo does not happen without a frame of reference to judge by. You do not see objects spinning by earth out in space, close up, so no sense of motion.
Simply get on a merry-go-round that makes a revolution every 24 hours. Tell us how much vertigo you experience.
Good point. I didn't know the globe is 24,000 miles in circumference, therefore it's only going a thousand miles in an hour. My buddy just told me this is not a valid FE argument. But, he has dozens of other points that do question round earth.
Eric, big fan, especially your work with the no virus group - of which I am one.
I look at the arguments and some are quite persuading - on the fence I guess. After many years of research it strikes me that just about everything I have accepted from the owners is false - more than this - in reverse! ( there are of course Christian references for this).
Please, get Eric DuBay on your podcast - this would be great!
Q: Why do engineers lay hundreds of miles of track with no allowance for curvature? Why do pilots not adjust course for curvature? Those and many other questions need believable, fact based answers.
Railways: the curvature is vanishingly small in relation to flexibility of many miles of track. As diameter of a sphere tends to infinity, the curve on the surface tends to planar. In short, we don’t need to take account of it because it’s too small as effect.
Air navigation: don’t they use Great Circle routes, which yields a fixed bearing when flying from point A to point B?
Flight path USA to Europe usually arcs toward the North Pole. It is shorter.
Once again I have heard/seen Pilots saying they do not adjust for curvaton.. not sure..
Ok so I am not the expert here - I am quoting others but I thought the math gave a substantial drop per mile - any engineers/math guys for comment?
There is an app called FE clock which answers most if not all of your questions.
Here's a video you'd never find on YouTube due to the censorship algorithm for your consideration:
A Summary of Points Concerning the Shape of the Earth
https://youtu.be/ogX0EFLjuXo
LOL, Eric, you are the man! A bunch of posts mentioning David Weiss... I've listened to him, he has a gift for marketing and knows that any publicity is good publicity, however, he has no idea what he's talking about when it concerns the Earth. Notice that there is no "Flat Earth" scholarship, no papers to dissect, just video to watch, a symptom of the digital age. Yesterday afternoon as I was doing laps in Prospect Park, Brooklyn on my bike, I notice that the sunset is not only occurring earlier but also in a different position in the sky and that's taking into consideration daylight savings time. Where I live there's a specific time of the year where the sun comes through the window in the front and back of my house at the same time in the morning. If the Earth were flat and stationary I wouldn't be observing these things. I also wouldn't be observing these things if all I was paying attention to was the Internet.
I'm watching a Dave Weiss video now. This is a big heavy of the movement? Seriously?
Dave Weiss sounds kinda ridiculous, but I am listening to Jason Breshears...an entirely different animal. I am at the place in the video where he posits that the universe we are taught exists is real, but that WE are in a simulacrum of that, a mirror of the real. It's pretty interesting. He brought up books in my library like Stalking the Wild Pendulum and the Holographic Universe. He says the reason one can do mathematics that result in both a flat earth or globe earth is because are in a construct. I have much to go...I am only at 35 minutes of an hour and half video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d53ueewCwnM
99% of FE is rehashed New Age horseshit from guys who did not read enough science fiction as kids. they are making this shit up out of recycled hand-me-down misinterpreted quantum, spiritualism, the idea that existence is part of the Maya, yada.
If you want to read an interesting book, try The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot. The spiritual properties of our existence -- whatever they may be -- can defy the laws of physics, but those are very special moments, and the product of genuine faith and NOT this kind of spectacle carnival woo woo circus. They have nothing to do with why it's night time in the Philippines right now and why I can tell you what time the Sun will rise in Honolulu on April 4. The are capitalizing on confusion and mixing up orders of reality.
Yes, Jesus can guide you home if you are lost in the Indian Ocean. But you can also count on your sextant, compass and/or GPS. And those things work for a reason.
I have that book right next to me, after pulling it off my shelf today along with Stanislof Grof's The Holotropic Mind...this after listening to Jason Breshears. Instead of listening to Weiss, who I tried to listen to and think is foolish, Breshears has more interesting things to say.
At least Breshears believes the model of the universe with the planets and the galaxies is a model of reality.
It's just that he also thinks we are not living in that model...but a simulacrum of it.
It's an idea in the realm of sci fi like you say...Philip K. Dick has touched on these ideas. I loved Valis and the books after it, The Divine Invasion and The Transmigration of Timothy Archer.
they should speak for themselves. and if we're "not living in that model," why does the Sunrise Equation work?
The problem with these shemdricks is that they are constantly telling other people what should be real for them, and not saying what is real for themSELVES. They come on like hustlers who know the bottom line of all reality.
To sum up, if they spoke in I STATEMENTS, it would be easy to see what is going on.
I think it's a living for them? I don't know. But the digital space as the medium of communication has lead people to think nothing is real that is reported by mainstream media...that everything is faked. A couple of substack guys argued with me that the Manson murders never happened, that no mass murder ever happened, it's all done with actors. One of them even argued with me that the Manson girls are actually men playing the part of women. So I sent them a song written according to them by a spook from the Tavistock Institute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtUH9z_Oey8
This would be funny if it wasn't so scary. Many of the responders here are under some kind of mind control, preventing them from looking at their surroundings and making sense of it.
Digital age cult, that comes with it's own app.
Just one more thought:
the observation you have described with the sun can be also perfectly explained on a "flat and stationary earth" with a moving sun...
Perfectly explain it then.
please listen to the explanations from Dave Weiss. I know you dont like him, but he shows how all the movements of the sun, including the changes of seasons etc. can be done one flat stationary earth as well.
Please understand that without any pictures I can show, and with English not beeing my language it is difficult for me to explain the details.
No Maria, you explain what was perfectly explained to you, in your words. I don't dislike Dave Weiss however he doesn't know what he's talking about when talking about the shape of the Earth.
No Phil, you do your own work like I did. listen to those with "expertise" and make up your own mind. compare their models with the one we have been shown our entire life and than decide what makes more sense for you.
For me, Daves presentations are pretty good in explaining his views and thesis. By the way, he has more fact on hand about the globe-model than those who defend it so hardly. have fun exploring other views.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/U1PCnHyiPagY/
Maria, you have a promising career in comedy.
sorry Phil, but you are caught in a bubble. Do you really want to wait for big-politics, big-media or NASA to support or pay for any sort of research and publications that proove they have been telling lies? No, they are doing whatever they can to cover up their deceptions.
I don't need those institutions to understand my surroundings.
Well thats great. For now, we are stuck with the hypothesis and research of some fellows who have the currage to formulat unpopular thoughts.
We have to think for ourselves and decide what infos are credible....
Watch the documentary by Eric Dubai, 200 Proofs the Earth is flat and all your questions will be answered.
Add to the items which would need to be explained.
Coriolis acceleration.
A pole casts shadows of different lengths at different locations along the same longitude, no shadow at the equator ever.
Length of a day varies likewise along the same longitude. and opposite effects on different sides of the equator.
I saw this experiment done with large grapefruit and two small sticks of the same length and a reading light. It does not work on a flat plane.
Not unless you hold the grapefruit real close to the light. :-)
Huh? OK I think I get it
A video presented to me (might have even been posted during this discussion, though i think it was actually on my Substack) showed sticks of 4-6 inches on a table in a room with the ceiling light on, and different shadow lengths. This proportion would (assuming a standard 10 ft high room) would have the sun (if using 6 ft sticks) be a couple of hundred feet above the earth's surface. :-) When i pointed this out to the Flat Earther, he insisted that the idea was correct, there is more than one way to look at things. LOL.
That's nothing...another person just proposed that the earth could be more than one shape at once...shape shifting earth
:-)
FE cultist Amandha Vollmer (not a smear; I think it’s fair to describe FE as a cult) is keen on this book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SYtZMVXJAw