Classic gatekeeper response from a professional obfuscation controlled opposition agent. Is it actually interesting at this point in the great unraveling to listen to these mendacious idiots engage in the same tired verbal gymnastics.
RFK Jr used that Upton Sinclair quote when he interviewed Dr Denis Rancourt and tried at every turn to avoid Rancourt's conclusion that there was no evidence of a pathogen spread, i.e. no pandemic at all. The quote came at the very end of that "enlightening" discussion and I was so taken by Kennedy revealing himself that I wrote it down. If you haven't listened to this interview here is the link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/all-cause-mortality-with-denis-rancourt/id1552000243?i=1000595890555
Thanks. I saw that interview but I don't remember him saying that (maybe I couldn't make to the end!). How could he twist the meaning of the quote to apply to Rancourt? It obviously applies to him (he must have known it - was it projection?). The interview definitely was hostile but JFK Jr can't claim ignorance. Doubtless, he already had written at least some of his new Wuhan book...
GoF, Lab Leak TM are all sort of limited hangouts. When RFK Jr started overtly supporting all things Israel (this was before Oct 7th), I knew he was bought for sure. The gall of him going on MSM and rightly claiming that Biden's censorship regime is the worst thing for democracy while weeks before calling for the censorship of those criticizing Israel's foreign policy on US college campuses is mind blowing hypocrisy.
Skip to the 42 minute mark where RFK Jr. asks, “What do you think the chances are that this kind of scientific debate that we've been having here is actually going to have a breakthrough to the mainstream that it will be that people will actually, scientists will actually be allowed to have this debate, that you could have this conversation with the authors of those four studies in India, somewhere where people would hear you?”
Rancourt’s response in part: “And it's hard to have that discussion with scientists because they cannot let go of their theoretical immunology and everything they wanna believe about how viruses spread and so on.”
RFK Jr.: “I'm sure you're aware of the scientific corollary that was first advanced by Upton de Sinclair, where he said that it's impossible to persuade a man of a fact if the existence of that fact will diminish his salary.
Rancourt: Exactly. I encounter that every day.
It's incredible.”
So Kennedy acknowledges it is going on, and then does it himself 😳
As the truth chips away at the falsity of the dominant paradigm, the defences of the failing paradigm become more and more ridiculous, as RFK Jr. demonstrates in light of the evidence presented by Rancourt.
Defenders of the virus now have to rationalize why the alleged virus respects State and National boundaries and is more prone to spread among those of certain economic demographics.
Kennedy and Bigtree run foundations that promote "safe" vaccine schedules for children. There is no such thing as a safe vaccine nor is there any necessity for one--not for humans or for animals. These two overpaid "freedom" champions have much to lose if they started going public with the "missing" virus story. Last I checked Bigtree's annual salary of $550K is over-the-top for what he does but it keeps him in purple vests. Both of these guys are phonies as is obvious by their actions.
Robert F Kennedy Jrs foundation is the Children's Health Defense. Website: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/ Remember that he adamantly maintains he is not "anti-vax" just like Bigtree. They just want "safer" vaccines which is the reason RFK Jr made removing thimerasol from vaccines (i.e., mercury) one of his projects. He also quickly admits that all of his children are vaccinated as is he. And you know, first hand, the man will not address the missing virus and neither will his (inarticulate) philosopher, Charles Eisenstein.
Wow, man. Oh la la. Kudos to you sir, and then some. It was "rich", as the English say. So much bla bla bla and then comes you with a wee simple question and it all goes to shit. It's amazing. Thank you. One thing occurred to me, though. Indeed the word "conspiracy" is inadequate for something that is actually a sacramented, decades long, institutionalized fraud. It's much bigger than a conspiracy. So big that they can't see it. Maybe something to refine a bit more in the terrain camp, so we can get rid of this word "conspiracy". (Excuse my English - Brazilian here). Thank you again. Loved it.
yes all this high-minded idealism and there are not really evil institutions and then, oops. So wait a sec -- WHO treaty is not the work of specific people with a specific agenda?
Conspiracy theories are complete bullshit and keep people running around chasing phantoms and endlessly going down rabbit holes.
Please forget that some of the largest section of the most well-respected law libraries pertain to conspiracy law.
The reality is that the wealthy and powerful consistently show up together at the same carnivals and all hop on the same merry-go-rounds and hold discussions whilst going round and round on carousel horses and magically these discussion turn into outcomes that favor the wealthy and powerful.
To suggest that all of these wealthy people in control of virtually all political and economic systems get together and organize and coordinate the forces that comprise these political and economic institutions in order to consolidate their wealth and power is absurd.
No thinking person would believe in such plans- it all happens by wand waving, happenstance and manifestations and has been for hundreds of years.
I once found a dozen different conspiracy statutes in the NYS Penal Code. There are probably many others; and this does not include civil conspiracy, which is much more commonplace.
People who mock those questioning the official 9/11 narrative have been attacked as "conspiracy theorists," never mind that the official story is one of a conspiracy by a blind sheik living in a cave in Afghanistan and 19 suicide airliner hijackers (plus another would be hijacker who never made it on board, indicted later).
Assyrian proverb: "One man's box cutters are another man's shoe phone."
So the ruling class can marshal the resources to manufacture the decades long War on Terror, dupe the public on any and all number of events to engage in World War mass industrial slaughter etc., etc., etc., but can't use their vast propaganda apparatus to scare the shit out of an already largely psychotic and hypochondriacal populace and convince them that they need to rush to the hospital to get their shortness of breath/anxiety disorder checked out by a system already guaranteed to kill them whilst installing even more mechanisms to assure death to convince the public there was something deadly?
I think you misunderstand or just aren't aware of the great evil that lurks in caves. Most of the world's nefarious events have been hatched in caves by evil-doers. Often you'll find dark forces lurking in those caves ready to attack the civilized do-gooders at a moment's notice.
Sometimes, as was the case with Covid, these forces can be invisible and not until they strike do we take them seriously.
What I believe, and I think based on his psychobabble Charles would agree, is that these forces are pulled out of these caves at the behest of the collective subconscious during a time of great Jungian (or is it Freudian I can't keep those straight) societal schisms.
Has nothing to do with central bankers and corrupt bureaucrats planning shit.
Not to mention the infected bats who reside in caves during the day but emerge after dark to spread zoonotic viruses which cause pandemics and the resulting shutdown of the planet…I like run on sentences also. And batty conspiracy theories.
It’s the dominant paradigm with the weight of Big pHarma, Big Medicine etc. behind it supported by the State with Big Money. It won’t go down easily, it has a lot of momentum and common folk acceptance keeping it in the mainstream.
Pretty much the same answer you got from RFK Jr himself when you asked him. No surprise that this philosopher falls back on “I don’t know enough to comment.”
he tried to fall back on "that would be too large of a conspiracy." So I went right to Massey's FOIAs. He had never heard of them, or claimed not to have. That's interesting.
I just wrote to Mark, Christine, et al
Because the current bestseller is about lab leak and gain of function, the campaign should be prepared for that kind of question. He is one of the writers. For a second time they reveal they are unprepared for this issue. After Greenwich, you might think they might think it might come up.
Being a philosopher I am wondering if he is familiar with Thomas Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions which discusses how the dominant paradigm is maintained and what it takes for a shift to occur. For him to think it is too large of a conspiracy to not be the truth shows how deeply rooted it is.
The same goes for one of the most common questions, “if illness is not caused by a virus, what is it?” and to truly not know or be able to think outside the virus paradigm shows how effective the sale of this tunnel vision regarding disease has been.
Agreed, it’s almost inconceivable that he doesn’t know about Christine and her FOI record. And the inexcusable. Far more inexcusable if he is only pretending not to know.
You introduced me to Charles’ work via your COVID-19 news, when you featured one of his essays. As I recall, it was “Mob Morality and the Unvaxxed,” about the theories of the philosopher Rene Girard on scapegoating—the human propensity, across cultures and throughout history, to project our hurt and rage onto a marginalized group of individuals and “sacrifice” (vilify and/or kill) them.
I see the main thrust of Charles’ work as this—how do we humans stop othering each other? For me, that effort begins with a look at my own behavior. After four years of being scapegoated for refusing the vax, I’m carrying a motherlode of rage; I’d like nothing more than to push it onto some individual or group. But I’m learning to express this rage in the company of close friends, and I try to cultivate conversations with those who disagree with me.
Many of you on this thread rightly point out errors in Charles thinking. But the scapegoating of Charles I see here disturbs me. I abhor the treatment the main wing of the health freedom movement has dished out to people like you, Eric. Nevertheless, the way forward is not to serve it back to them.
Charles has thrust himself into the political arena, where he is wholly unprepared to be. He is repeating the lies of his candidate, and does not understand the role of the Kennedys in history. Jack and Bobby the first were masters of regime change, and JFK was not interested in Vietnam because he thought it was a waste of good money and blood that could be spent flipping regimes elsewhere more efficiently. It was not that he was a peacenick; it was that Vietnam is the disaster we've heard about — and then the U.S. used that fiasco as a business model.
Re his "othering" theory: he's pointing to dualism. Whatever Buddha may have been talking about, we live under the thrall of the sinner/saint of Manichaeism — dark and light, etc., and this is not going to go away with wordplay.
In fact, we can name many of the people who did "covid," and we can understand the ideas that led to it. Eisenstein is grousing around but struggling with something he cannot name coming from the ground, which is AI/robotocs/digital and the 4th industrial revolution — which his candidate largely supports. The anger you feel and the hostility you experience were the creation of social design pirating on and utilizing the digital environment.
Many of the named entities of 2020 are back at it, roping the world into the new improved fascist WHO treaty. The single most important health freedom issue of our day, we did not hear a word about it Tuesday -- and the beat is going on.
Regarding your own sense of being othered, the Gestalt Therapy approach of Perls et al would suggest you embrace being the other. Look back through your life at all the other ways you were the other, particularly in your family of origin. That's what this is really about on the personal level, and why anyone is susceptible to any of what you're describing.
The situation we are in is not going to be improved by "getting along."
Eric, I agree with most of what you say here. I heard one of your interviews with Jeffrey Strahl on planetwaves.fm, and I have a sense of the dark side of the Kennedys’ historical role. And yes, “the new improved fascist” WHO treaty is the single most important health freedom issue of our day.
Re othering: “My own sense of being othered” is not solely “a creation of social design pirating on and utilizing the digital environment.” I’ve been othered my entire life, probably came in that way—a personal history I won’t go into further here. I’ve spent years exploring my shadows, trying to embrace my otherness. A Buddhist Presbyterian minister Jungian psychotherapist was particularly helpful on my journey. The Gestalt Therapy approach sounds fascinating. I’ll look into it . . .
I agree “we can name many of the people who did COVID, and we can understand the ideas that led to it.” But the belief field—the mainstream story of germ theory and scientific rationalism and control—enveloping and protecting these people is still so strong. I’m not suggesting we health freedom folk simply “try to get along,” I’m suggesting we tolerate differences and initiate difficult conversations. As you did with Charles the other night.
So, there you go. Maybe I agree with you on everything. And, I continue to admire Charles’ work. This has been a “difficult conversation” (for me) but well worth it.
The missing virus people are constantly initiating discussions with the virus pushers, and are usually ignored or rebuffed. This is not a mere disagreement. There is intentional concealment and denial happening; the protection of image, audience and income; an almost impenetrable in-group mentality; and in the process, the supposed freedom fighters are doing just that -- they are fighting against freedom.
Yes, a sad state of affairs. While others may be intentionally concealing and denying, my sense is that Charles is not. Though he has blind spots and makes moral compromises like most humans do, my sense of him is he has an open heart. He needs the information you have to offer. I'd like to see the conversation you initiated with him continue.
If politics is the art of the possible, so is astrology. People are capable of reflection and change. Particularly with Jupiter conjunct Uranus!
This is not a personal critique. It's well known that the most significant split in the MFM (medical freedom movement, such as it is), is the virus-no virus divide. I was writing about this as early as May 2020 on Covid19 News, so it's not any kind of new issue. I am one of several people who have forced the matter into CHD and the Kennedy campaign; this round has gone on in a series of skirmishes back to early 2022. Is it plausible that Eisenstein doesn't know about any of this? Never heard of it, or of Christine Massey? He seemed sincere when I asked if he'd heard of Massey when he said no.
Charles knows about the virus/no-virus divide. He mentioned it in an essay several years ago but said, to paraphrase, “I can’t imagine all of virology is a lie.” My sense is he doesn’t understand the importance of the missing virus problem and thus has not taken the time to investigate it. So, he was sincere when he said he’d need to do further research in order to have a serious discussion with you. While he’s heard Christine Massey’s name before (I mentioned her but not the details of her work in a substack exchange from last May, which I will email you), I think it likely and understandable that he has not retained that memory and was also sincere when he told you he had not heard of her.
In short, I think Charles needs education on this issue and its crucial importance. As you know, a serious public discussion of the nature of viruses and whether or not they even exist could contribute to unravelling the rationale for the WHO global pandemic treaty.
I’m imagining a typically wide-ranging Coppolino discussion on the past 6 decades with the starting point of Brigham’s professional specialisation, VietNam, which you’ve referred to above.
thank you...I do my best...I see my flaws, and there is something in every interview that I have to get right the next time. I am guided by the little kid in me, who is alive and curious and wants to make some sense out of what these adults are saying.
I admire your patience, intelligence, wit and you seem to have a sense of when to slip in a question. Timing is everything and you have that. great job!
Well, I ADORE Charles Eisenstein. I’ve been following him for a decade, and I’ve given to friends some three dozen copies of his book The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible. I really enjoyed this talk, and I’m so glad you shared it with us, Eric. Thank you.
Good stuff . . . however some bits are just too hot to handle
no campaign will do their own homework on the subject and then deliver any sort of statement at all about the ViroLIEgy issue . . . that would be divisive to the max!
Eisenstein LIED about legacy. He made out FDR to be "anti-imperialist." Never mind that via Bretton Woods and the like, and the UN, the CFR under FDR (in fact, while Henry Wallace was VP) created the post WWII US dominated New World Order. FDR cemented this personally via meeting with Kind Saud of Saudi Arabia in Feb 1945 on a US navy ship docked in the Suez Canal, created the petrodollar and the US-Saudi alliance.
He lied about the entire post WWII era, "the greatest country in history," in fact a rampaging murderous empire. And he lied about JFK's ample role in furthering that legacy. i've discussed this with Eric on two occasions.
I discussed the Kennedys directly, in a conversation regarding the discussion between RFK Jr and Joe Rogen.
Against censorship? How about RFK Jr's tweet in October lauding Bill Ackman, a hedge fund billionaire, over his demands that Harvard U repress expressions of opposition to the Israeli genocide?
Camelot Corner with Operation Snow White and Charles Eisenstein as Troubadour, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23.
Regarding the second video, which i have watched only an hour and 15 minutes of. From the blog entry,…...
"I also made two presentations focused on the role Charles Eisenstein, advisor to Web3 social impact platform Celo, will be playing to frame out a mythology around Bobby’s “Kennedy Democrat” candidacy. In the first video I explain how the initial phase of “authoritarian government” overreach set the stage for decentralized “tagged” agents exercising a radical, participatory digital “democracy” in a surveilled “commons” using tokens and a language of programmed “community” currency in a new game of noetic emergence. Also featured is the Bretton Woods 75 anniversary event sponsored by Bancor’s Galia Benartzi, Benjamin Netanyahu’s niece by marriage to his third wife Sara. The event, which was held at the historic Mount Washington hotel and featured yoga, storytelling around the campfire, tea ceremonies, and a lively debate over the future of reserve currencies (dollar, yuan, or crypto), was attended by 200 stakeholders from the worlds of global finance, blockchain, and social impact venture philanthropy. Charles gave a keynote presentation on inter-beingness, the death of “Mother Earth,” and the emergence of a new spirit, “Lover Earth,” that comes expecting gifts and is going to be keeping track of donations and withdrawals by humanity (cue distributed ledger technology).
In the second installment, I pulled clips from a podcast Charles and Bobby did last May about the need to move on from the climate / carbon discussion, braiding the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby. I demonstrated the hypocrisy Charles embodies as he calls for the transition to a sacred gift economy, even as he maintains a close affiliation with Celo and Sep Kamvar. Kamvar stays busy tokenizing human and natural capital (see IoT sensors in the slippers of pre-k children enrolled in the Wildflower Montessori franchise he founded while at MIT) and devising novel ways to scale remote sensing and automated measurement for the nature backed currency that Eisenstein proposed in his book “Sacred Economics.” I also laid out my concerns around Kennedy’s proposed recovery Peace Corps models based on my research into impact markets in the addiction space and the problematic history of San Patrignano.” McDowell mentioned this comment at the Substack, not mentioning the name of the person who commented. "RFK Jr. has very questionable ties to the global technocrat criminals as Alison McDowell ably documents in Wrench in the Gears (link further down). BUT, he's saying crucial truths that must be said and heard by the public that no other prominent political figure is saying. He is by far the best prospect out there and his family/fame gives him cred that the most virulent corporate propaganda media cannot censor completely short of doing to him what was done to his father and uncle and if THAT unspeakable happens, We the People will know whodunnit!” MdDowell emphasized that what she has done is NOT about "questionable ties to the global technocrat criminals” but about the Blockchain-run society RFK Jr himself is advancing, lamenting how many of her readers and viewers just don’t understand what she is saying and jump to facile conclusions.
Courting "Lover Earth" With Cybernetic Community Currencies - Camelot Corner, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23, three hours and 47 minutes.
"In this episode I'll start examining the role Charles Eisenstein is playing in the RFK Jr. candidacy with a focus on decentralized community currencies and tokenized markets in Web3 "regenerative" finance.”
My notes/comments. Charles Eisenstein (CE) is now the “philosopher” of the RFK Jr presidential campaign. W.Aaron Vandiver "Can We Reboot the Environmental Movement — So It Protects Freedom, Too?’ 5/11/23 at CHD puts forth a Blockchain libertarian “alternative” social ecological movement, , connects to the ideas of Extinction Rebellion found Jem Brendell, evokes a 1865 speech by RFK Sr, and advances the notions of a “community currency” digital structure. “Resistance community” managed with a game based upon digital tokens. Decentralization system analysis, specialty currencies as per CE. Bendell has converted from corporate environmentalism to “eco-libertarianism.” CE however works with Celo, very much a corporate digital space entity. See the excerpt from the Blog entry, above, re Bretton Woods 75th anniversary and CE’s keynote address at it.
CE is about “debt jubilees, Universal Basic Income (UBI and digital currency, a cyber-regulated structure. RFK Jr is meanwhile promoting Bitcoin. Excerpts shown from his recent speech at a Crypto conference. “Your [digital]wallet is your own.” Alison emphasizes that the CBDC is jus one said of the emerging threat we face, the one which the likes of RFK Jr and much of the “freedom” movement exclusively focus upon. Community currency is the alleged “alternative” which in fact is NOT an “alternative.” 21:00 Surveillance is to be done to develop patterns to make predictions and engineer the people via He promotes “decentralization.” Yet he wants to keep the US as the center of Crypto, while calling for “some regulation.”
Government to be left behind n favor of machine encryption coding world. “Bitcoin is neutral” really means “accept Bitcoin domination.” Control grid coming via tokens, digital devices, compliance with the game. A move from “authoritarian government” to digital life. run by tokens. CE talked about digital currency way back in 2013. Entry on 5/15/23 at CE’s Substack https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/a-major-life-change "A Major Life Change.”
"It all started a couple months ago with a “coincidence.” Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. knew my work vaguely before then, as a fellow Covid dissident and environmentalist. But that had little to do with this coincidence. One of my readers won a fundraising raffle for “a day of falconry with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.” She was allowed to take a guest, so she invited me. I have no interest in falconry, but since I’d always admired Kennedy, I accepted the offer. There were a lot of people there, at least 15 including me and my son, Cary. At lunch, one of them was declaiming at length on some topic. I was just listening. But then Mr. Kennedy turned to me and said, “Charles, what do you think?” That is what began the relationship."
Not true, they did a major presentation together a year ago. So, CE promotes debt jubilee, UBI and a life run via digital currency, while RFK Jr is promoting eco-libertarianism. Contradictions, anyone? CE’s remark about “the nature of money” is totally bogus. Money is NOT “natural,” it is a totally contrived instrument of social control, made universally necessary on because of the global imposition of capitalist social relations, starting with the Enclosures in late medieval England and then spreading elsewhere via coercion. At 1:08:00, CE speaks, asserts that “money is a story.” Eh, right, just a story.
I couldn’t listen to all of Eisenstein. I managed half an jour. Is it possible for anyone so ‘informed’ to be so utterly naive? Your questions were brilliant. Is he really stupid? Or a useful idiot?
Dear EFC, this BS talk is nearly identical to the crap that GW Bush said. "Heal", come together, ... non intervention ... blah blah. SSDD (same sh*t, different day). Roosevelt wanted to end the British Empire. Whatever. Where was all the pro-Israel and pro-virus talk?
About RFK Jr's VP pick, Nicole Shanahan, whom Eisenstein praised. Junior's "environmentalism" which he repeatedly brought up as a theme is actually about social impact investing, using 4IR to turn nature into digitally-monitored parcels of land and resources which function as investment instruments. And who better to implement this than 4IR queen Shanahan, one of the world's richest people, thanks to her ex husband, Google co-founder Sergey Brin?
I havn’t seen much on RFK Jr.’s VP pick Nicole Shanahan, so I’ve hit on a chance to make a foray into politics, biotech, and injections all at the same time. The more I dug into it though the worse it got.
[These have links, each section starts with confirmed info and is followed by analysis marked with *.]
• Shanahan has spoken about artificial intelligence (AI) and the law.
*You’ll see below this means getting criminals out of the prison system and into….your backyard.
*AI=technocracy, lets add that to her score card.
• She is a member of the board of Carbon Royalty Corp.
*This Co deals in carbon credits-so we know she is a climate change pusher.[Well, worse, she’s pushing the idea that carbon credits can actually do something about the growing climate chaos we face, vs merely being a tool to further enrich the elite off a crisis their operations have created]
• Shanahan invested in Linus Biotechnology, Inc. “Using a strand of hair, we map the patterns of an individual’s unique biologic response to environmental exposures”
*Exposures like injections, chem trails and etc.?
“We are dedicated to the development and advancement of StrandDx™ASD, a non-invasive diagnostic aid for Autism Spectrum Disorder.”
*There is no specific biologic finding or possible test for ASD because it is a symptom complex not one thing. This is another labeling machine that will lead to interventions (like dangerous shots or meds) for the loads of kids with vax injury, ADHD, etc.
• “Our mission is to empower healthcare providers and families in making informed choices for their child's care”.
*Could this possibly recommend abortion or new-born euthanasia, surprise!
• In 2018, Shanahan helped fund and launch the Center for Female reproductive Longevity and Equality within the Buck Institute for Research on Aging.
*They are into Alzheimer’s research, cell-lines, and anti-aging. Sounds like a population council kind of organ, a way to manipulate dementia narratives from the shots, and prolong the elites’ lifespans, but I digress…..
• In 2019 she established her private foundation, Bia-Echo. The foundation is named after Bia, the ancient Greek goddess associated with energy. Bia-Echo's sole donor was Shanahan's then-husband [Google co-founderSergey Brin], . In 2020 Brin donated at least $23 million in shares of Alphabet (Google's parent company) to Bia-Echo.
"Nicole Shanahan is a California based attorney and the founder and president of Bia-Echo Foundation, a private foundation that aims to invest in changemakers at the forefront of innovation who are tackling some of the world’s greatest challenges: reproductive longevity & equality, criminal justice reform and a healthy & livable planet. Initial investments and projects led by Bia-Echo include the launch of the world’s first Center for Reproductive Longevity and Equality at the Buck Institute for Research on Aging and the Stanford Computational Policy Lab to drive social impact on criminal justice reform via data analysis and technical innovation. Prior to launching Bia-Echo, Nicole supported these efforts through the Sergey Brin Family Foundation.
Prior to shifting focus to philanthropic efforts, Nicole founded ClearAccessIP (now part of IPWe, Inc.), an integrated patent management company using AI to help the creators and owners of IP assets effectively develop, manage and transact patent-protected technology. She is also an academic fellow of CodeX, the Stanford Center of Legal Informatics, a joint center between Stanford Law School and Computer Science, where she launched the Smart Prosecution project, a multi-disciplinary effort applying data science to the prosecutorial process, involving partnerships with district attorneys and community organizations. Apart from the practical applications of legal technology, her academic research centers around Ronald Coase’s work on transaction cost theory. Entitled, “Coasean Mapping,” she theorizes on the pace and nature of society’s adoption of artificial intelligence for law and government.
The link at Shanahan’s bio page for "the Stanford Computational Policy Lab,” right above, takes you to the one at Harvard, which is directly linked to it.
"Driving social impact through technical innovation”
"At the Computational Policy Lab, we use technology to tackle pressing issues in criminal justice, education, voting rights, and beyond. Leveraging advances in data science, we study the impact of policy choices at unprecedented scales, and build algorithmic tools to guide high-stakes decisions. By bringing a computational perspective to public policy, we aim to improve the lives of millions of people — especially those affected by inefficient and unfair systems and practices.”
Jeff: This is making the global Blockchain-based digital panopticon sound like a fight for truth, justice and the American way. :-)
More on Charles Eisenstein. [For some reason, the first part about Eisenstein is posted further down, as if it was posted later, rather than earlier, as shown by the time stamp]
Alison McDowell on RFK Jr, Charles Eisenstein and their “beyond carbon” discussion of May 2022, juxtaposed with various statements/videos by them and associates over the last several years. It’s the last of the three videos in McDowell’s recent Camelot Corner blog post, the first two of which were discussed by me in previous LT editions.
Camelot Corner with Operation Snow White and Charles Eisenstein as Troubadour, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23.
"In the second installment, I pulled clips from a podcast Charles and Bobby did last May about the need to move on from the climate / carbon discussion, braiding the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby. I demonstrated the hypocrisy Charles embodies as he calls for the transition to a sacred gift economy, even as he maintains a close affiliation with Celo and Sep Kamvar. Kamvar stays busy tokenizing human and natural capital (see IoT sensors in the slippers of pre-k children enrolled in the Wildflower Montessori franchise he founded while at MIT) and devising novel ways to scale remote sensing and automated measurement for the nature backed currency that Eisenstein proposed in his book “Sacred Economics.” I also laid out my concerns around Kennedy’s proposed recovery Peace Corps models based on my research into impact markets in the addiction space and the problematic history of San Patrignano."
Moving Beyond Carbon - How About Peace Corps Recovery Centers? Camelot Corner, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23. Just under four hours.
My notes/comments. Time marks are approximate.
A lot on impact investment. RFK Jr’s campaign will take donations in Bitcoin, he promoted it at a Miami cryptocurrency conference. Smart contracts, impact investing, social engineering via cybernetics. Charles Eisenstein (CE) has not admitted his link to Celo, which is all about impact investing, in spite of Alison’s repeated questions posed to him.. (about 17:00) CE brings together "the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby.” This was at the 5/6/22 joint appearance,
“Time to Change” the climate conversation away from carbon, they way. Alison again protests that she is an environmentalist but does not believe in “climate change” as an emergency.. My challenge to her stands, she still confuses the climate crisis with what the-powers-that-shouldn’t-be wanna do about it, i.e. use it to push their Great Reset agenda. Celo, which CE is involved in as an adviser and inspirational figure, is heavily involved in carbon trading, even as CE asserts “we” need to go beyond carbon. Collectivo project on Curacao being put put forth as a model action, Web3 Blockchain “environmentalism” (1:20:00)
1:22:00 - Digital surveillance, put forth as a boon to ecosystems, to be extended to the entire world. RFK Jr states his goal to "restore “free market capitalism.”” Meanwhile CE pitched tight regulation via Blockchain to the Bretton Woods 75 conference (see previous video). Glaring contradiction. They both have it wrong. The problem is NOT “corrupt actors” but the system as a whole.
1:29:00 - New Economy, New Economy Society, “co-ops” based on token incentives. impact markets. Human capital finance foundations, and Open Society (Soros). Applying Blockchain to traditional practices, coopting them, digitizing them. CE talks against putting economic value on ecosystems. Applying all this to “health Care." Meanwhile Celo via a tweet (March ’20) talks about doing exactly that to rainforests, saying it is inspired by … CE See Leo Saraceno at Silicon Icarus for details. . CE puts forth Bobby Jr as a “crusader,” while we’re being driven into the global ant computer. (2:00:00)
2:02:00- RFK Jr puts forth a “recovery” program for addicts in Italy, San Patrignano, as a good model for his proposed Peace Corps. Turns out this was a labor camp, a program run by an Italian capitalist, heir to an oil fortune, program investigated, criminal charges filed over abuse. People were even indicted and convicted. Large businesses were involved, including Italy’s oil giant ENI. Free labor power for business.
2:45:00 - Psychedelics brought into the general scheme. McDowell has changed her mind somewhat, makes an effort to say she is not against free choice, does not wanna bring back the war on drugs, and recognizes that these substances have been part of traditional indigenous societies. She simply wants us to recognize that they will be employed as tools to enforce the new order in some way.
2:55:00 - Celo founder Sep Kamvar, as “inspired by CE,” on natural capital-backed currencies. Even though CE is against measuring this way?!! 3:04:00 - Turn citizen service into a tokenized relationship. 3:10:00 - The Kennedy legacy, evoking the Agency for International Development, created by JFK in 1961, as a promoter of “sustainable development.” It actually has facilitated US imperialism, AID acting as a branch of the CIA. Ted Kennedy, as senator, was responsible for Education Accountability, aka No Child Left Behind, which facilitated takeover of education by technology, something Ted Kennedy facilitated together with George W Bush.
3:24:00 - CE talks of JFK’;s presidency as “anti imperialist.” McDowell, a thorough researcher, didn’t bother doing much research into the sordid details, said little aside from speculating that maybe the powers wanna shift to using psychological force vs military force. This “anti-imperialist" characterization is an audacious, outrageous lie. JFK made a big deal during the 1960 campaign and then his presidency about re-enabling the US military to fight actual wars, vs total dependency upon nuclear weapons. Built up army conventional forces. And created the Green Berets, the intent being counterinsurgency war, The Special Forces Center in Ft Bragg, NC. bears his name. The JFK administration was the godfather of Latin America's death squads, via AID. The historical record is quite clear. See for instance the North American Council on Latin America's ample records. (NACLA)
After making anti-CIA statements, JFK in November 1961 (per brother Bobby’s advice) appointed major corporate bigwig and head of the then Atomic Energy Commission (!) head John McCone to head the CIA. The "Company" then went on (while JFK was president) to overthrow governments in Ecuador, Guatemala, El Salvador, British Guiana and Iraq, and carried out a de facto coup in Canada to oust John Diefenbaker as premier, a man JFK "hated" (per Bobby Senior) because he refused to arm Canadian air defense missiles with US nukes, and in general refused to integrate Canada's air defense system into NORAD, McCone did oppose the overthrow of the Diem regime in "South Vietnam" (a US created puppet) but was overruled by JFK. And JFK totally supported US backing of NATO, an organization whose prime purpose was and still is to facilitate US domination of Europe and Eurasia/Africa.
3:36:00 Crowing about the campaign drawing support from both “left” and “right,” including Lew Rockwell, the head of the Mises Institute, an “anarcho-capitalist.” Meanwhile, support from the mainstream centrists like the New America Foundation. integral theory, “the good kind of capitalism,” capitalism with “spirituality." Del Bigree’s father, pastor of the Unity Church in Boulder. Talk of how the Kennedy presidency was a “fork in the road,” Kennedy mythology. Breitbart puts forth the idea that Bobby Sr ran in 1968 “against the military industrial complex,” when in reality he stated in his speeches that he was against a pullout from Vietnam, simply wanted Vietnams troops to do more of the ground fighting and also to counter “corruption.” The talk in the movement is all about “the deep state,” and very little about Web3, Blockchain digital slavery.
Perhaps a different approach may bear fruit by not asking about the virus directly, but rather something leading like the following: “Are you going to continue to roll with the dominant paradigm that is proven to cause harm and death, or do you want to seek the truth?”
Being an experienced political speaker, he will not likely give a direct answer, but we can keep asking 😎. Not only can we keep asking RFK Jr., but anyone in any position who clings to what is false.
Via email
Classic gatekeeper response from a professional obfuscation controlled opposition agent. Is it actually interesting at this point in the great unraveling to listen to these mendacious idiots engage in the same tired verbal gymnastics.
Be well Eric
And keep on keeping on. . .
It's funny how often this old quote applies:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair
RFK Jr used that Upton Sinclair quote when he interviewed Dr Denis Rancourt and tried at every turn to avoid Rancourt's conclusion that there was no evidence of a pathogen spread, i.e. no pandemic at all. The quote came at the very end of that "enlightening" discussion and I was so taken by Kennedy revealing himself that I wrote it down. If you haven't listened to this interview here is the link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/all-cause-mortality-with-denis-rancourt/id1552000243?i=1000595890555
Thanks. I saw that interview but I don't remember him saying that (maybe I couldn't make to the end!). How could he twist the meaning of the quote to apply to Rancourt? It obviously applies to him (he must have known it - was it projection?). The interview definitely was hostile but JFK Jr can't claim ignorance. Doubtless, he already had written at least some of his new Wuhan book...
GoF, Lab Leak TM are all sort of limited hangouts. When RFK Jr started overtly supporting all things Israel (this was before Oct 7th), I knew he was bought for sure. The gall of him going on MSM and rightly claiming that Biden's censorship regime is the worst thing for democracy while weeks before calling for the censorship of those criticizing Israel's foreign policy on US college campuses is mind blowing hypocrisy.
Skip to the 42 minute mark where RFK Jr. asks, “What do you think the chances are that this kind of scientific debate that we've been having here is actually going to have a breakthrough to the mainstream that it will be that people will actually, scientists will actually be allowed to have this debate, that you could have this conversation with the authors of those four studies in India, somewhere where people would hear you?”
Rancourt’s response in part: “And it's hard to have that discussion with scientists because they cannot let go of their theoretical immunology and everything they wanna believe about how viruses spread and so on.”
RFK Jr.: “I'm sure you're aware of the scientific corollary that was first advanced by Upton de Sinclair, where he said that it's impossible to persuade a man of a fact if the existence of that fact will diminish his salary.
Rancourt: Exactly. I encounter that every day.
It's incredible.”
So Kennedy acknowledges it is going on, and then does it himself 😳
Wow! Thank you for that! That seems like the behavior of a politician, he knows which way the winds of power are blowing.
As the truth chips away at the falsity of the dominant paradigm, the defences of the failing paradigm become more and more ridiculous, as RFK Jr. demonstrates in light of the evidence presented by Rancourt.
Defenders of the virus now have to rationalize why the alleged virus respects State and National boundaries and is more prone to spread among those of certain economic demographics.
Was Kennedy conscious? Or, has he been deeply programmed?
Kennedy and Bigtree run foundations that promote "safe" vaccine schedules for children. There is no such thing as a safe vaccine nor is there any necessity for one--not for humans or for animals. These two overpaid "freedom" champions have much to lose if they started going public with the "missing" virus story. Last I checked Bigtree's annual salary of $550K is over-the-top for what he does but it keeps him in purple vests. Both of these guys are phonies as is obvious by their actions.
mel, what is the name of JFK's foundation that promotes "safe" vax schedules?
Robert F Kennedy Jrs foundation is the Children's Health Defense. Website: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/ Remember that he adamantly maintains he is not "anti-vax" just like Bigtree. They just want "safer" vaccines which is the reason RFK Jr made removing thimerasol from vaccines (i.e., mercury) one of his projects. He also quickly admits that all of his children are vaccinated as is he. And you know, first hand, the man will not address the missing virus and neither will his (inarticulate) philosopher, Charles Eisenstein.
Wow, man. Oh la la. Kudos to you sir, and then some. It was "rich", as the English say. So much bla bla bla and then comes you with a wee simple question and it all goes to shit. It's amazing. Thank you. One thing occurred to me, though. Indeed the word "conspiracy" is inadequate for something that is actually a sacramented, decades long, institutionalized fraud. It's much bigger than a conspiracy. So big that they can't see it. Maybe something to refine a bit more in the terrain camp, so we can get rid of this word "conspiracy". (Excuse my English - Brazilian here). Thank you again. Loved it.
yes all this high-minded idealism and there are not really evil institutions and then, oops. So wait a sec -- WHO treaty is not the work of specific people with a specific agenda?
Conspiracy theories are complete bullshit and keep people running around chasing phantoms and endlessly going down rabbit holes.
Please forget that some of the largest section of the most well-respected law libraries pertain to conspiracy law.
The reality is that the wealthy and powerful consistently show up together at the same carnivals and all hop on the same merry-go-rounds and hold discussions whilst going round and round on carousel horses and magically these discussion turn into outcomes that favor the wealthy and powerful.
To suggest that all of these wealthy people in control of virtually all political and economic systems get together and organize and coordinate the forces that comprise these political and economic institutions in order to consolidate their wealth and power is absurd.
No thinking person would believe in such plans- it all happens by wand waving, happenstance and manifestations and has been for hundreds of years.
I once found a dozen different conspiracy statutes in the NYS Penal Code. There are probably many others; and this does not include civil conspiracy, which is much more commonplace.
People who mock those questioning the official 9/11 narrative have been attacked as "conspiracy theorists," never mind that the official story is one of a conspiracy by a blind sheik living in a cave in Afghanistan and 19 suicide airliner hijackers (plus another would be hijacker who never made it on board, indicted later).
yep the official theory is a conspiracy theory.
Hani Hanjour flying a jet liner.
Fuck me.
Assyrian proverb: "One man's box cutters are another man's shoe phone."
So the ruling class can marshal the resources to manufacture the decades long War on Terror, dupe the public on any and all number of events to engage in World War mass industrial slaughter etc., etc., etc., but can't use their vast propaganda apparatus to scare the shit out of an already largely psychotic and hypochondriacal populace and convince them that they need to rush to the hospital to get their shortness of breath/anxiety disorder checked out by a system already guaranteed to kill them whilst installing even more mechanisms to assure death to convince the public there was something deadly?
The World According to Eisenstein.
I love the run-on sentence.
Right, couldn't fly a single engine plane but did a corkscrew with an airliner.
I think you misunderstand or just aren't aware of the great evil that lurks in caves. Most of the world's nefarious events have been hatched in caves by evil-doers. Often you'll find dark forces lurking in those caves ready to attack the civilized do-gooders at a moment's notice.
Sometimes, as was the case with Covid, these forces can be invisible and not until they strike do we take them seriously.
What I believe, and I think based on his psychobabble Charles would agree, is that these forces are pulled out of these caves at the behest of the collective subconscious during a time of great Jungian (or is it Freudian I can't keep those straight) societal schisms.
Has nothing to do with central bankers and corrupt bureaucrats planning shit.
the world's first vandalism, bro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascaux#/media/File:Lascaux_painting.jpg
🤣🤣🤣
Is this Plato's cave?
Not to mention the infected bats who reside in caves during the day but emerge after dark to spread zoonotic viruses which cause pandemics and the resulting shutdown of the planet…I like run on sentences also. And batty conspiracy theories.
It’s the dominant paradigm with the weight of Big pHarma, Big Medicine etc. behind it supported by the State with Big Money. It won’t go down easily, it has a lot of momentum and common folk acceptance keeping it in the mainstream.
As soon as I heard the phrase "The conspiracy would have to be so vast" the alarm went off.
The conspiracy is never vast, just the effects of it.
Pretty much the same answer you got from RFK Jr himself when you asked him. No surprise that this philosopher falls back on “I don’t know enough to comment.”
he tried to fall back on "that would be too large of a conspiracy." So I went right to Massey's FOIAs. He had never heard of them, or claimed not to have. That's interesting.
I just wrote to Mark, Christine, et al
Because the current bestseller is about lab leak and gain of function, the campaign should be prepared for that kind of question. He is one of the writers. For a second time they reveal they are unprepared for this issue. After Greenwich, you might think they might think it might come up.
Being a philosopher I am wondering if he is familiar with Thomas Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions which discusses how the dominant paradigm is maintained and what it takes for a shift to occur. For him to think it is too large of a conspiracy to not be the truth shows how deeply rooted it is.
The same goes for one of the most common questions, “if illness is not caused by a virus, what is it?” and to truly not know or be able to think outside the virus paradigm shows how effective the sale of this tunnel vision regarding disease has been.
Agreed, it’s almost inconceivable that he doesn’t know about Christine and her FOI record. And the inexcusable. Far more inexcusable if he is only pretending not to know.
Too many minute to minute uses. Do you use GPS?
Thank you for posting this, Eric.
You introduced me to Charles’ work via your COVID-19 news, when you featured one of his essays. As I recall, it was “Mob Morality and the Unvaxxed,” about the theories of the philosopher Rene Girard on scapegoating—the human propensity, across cultures and throughout history, to project our hurt and rage onto a marginalized group of individuals and “sacrifice” (vilify and/or kill) them.
I see the main thrust of Charles’ work as this—how do we humans stop othering each other? For me, that effort begins with a look at my own behavior. After four years of being scapegoated for refusing the vax, I’m carrying a motherlode of rage; I’d like nothing more than to push it onto some individual or group. But I’m learning to express this rage in the company of close friends, and I try to cultivate conversations with those who disagree with me.
Many of you on this thread rightly point out errors in Charles thinking. But the scapegoating of Charles I see here disturbs me. I abhor the treatment the main wing of the health freedom movement has dished out to people like you, Eric. Nevertheless, the way forward is not to serve it back to them.
Charles has thrust himself into the political arena, where he is wholly unprepared to be. He is repeating the lies of his candidate, and does not understand the role of the Kennedys in history. Jack and Bobby the first were masters of regime change, and JFK was not interested in Vietnam because he thought it was a waste of good money and blood that could be spent flipping regimes elsewhere more efficiently. It was not that he was a peacenick; it was that Vietnam is the disaster we've heard about — and then the U.S. used that fiasco as a business model.
Re his "othering" theory: he's pointing to dualism. Whatever Buddha may have been talking about, we live under the thrall of the sinner/saint of Manichaeism — dark and light, etc., and this is not going to go away with wordplay.
In fact, we can name many of the people who did "covid," and we can understand the ideas that led to it. Eisenstein is grousing around but struggling with something he cannot name coming from the ground, which is AI/robotocs/digital and the 4th industrial revolution — which his candidate largely supports. The anger you feel and the hostility you experience were the creation of social design pirating on and utilizing the digital environment.
Many of the named entities of 2020 are back at it, roping the world into the new improved fascist WHO treaty. The single most important health freedom issue of our day, we did not hear a word about it Tuesday -- and the beat is going on.
Regarding your own sense of being othered, the Gestalt Therapy approach of Perls et al would suggest you embrace being the other. Look back through your life at all the other ways you were the other, particularly in your family of origin. That's what this is really about on the personal level, and why anyone is susceptible to any of what you're describing.
The situation we are in is not going to be improved by "getting along."
Eric, I agree with most of what you say here. I heard one of your interviews with Jeffrey Strahl on planetwaves.fm, and I have a sense of the dark side of the Kennedys’ historical role. And yes, “the new improved fascist” WHO treaty is the single most important health freedom issue of our day.
Re othering: “My own sense of being othered” is not solely “a creation of social design pirating on and utilizing the digital environment.” I’ve been othered my entire life, probably came in that way—a personal history I won’t go into further here. I’ve spent years exploring my shadows, trying to embrace my otherness. A Buddhist Presbyterian minister Jungian psychotherapist was particularly helpful on my journey. The Gestalt Therapy approach sounds fascinating. I’ll look into it . . .
I agree “we can name many of the people who did COVID, and we can understand the ideas that led to it.” But the belief field—the mainstream story of germ theory and scientific rationalism and control—enveloping and protecting these people is still so strong. I’m not suggesting we health freedom folk simply “try to get along,” I’m suggesting we tolerate differences and initiate difficult conversations. As you did with Charles the other night.
So, there you go. Maybe I agree with you on everything. And, I continue to admire Charles’ work. This has been a “difficult conversation” (for me) but well worth it.
The missing virus people are constantly initiating discussions with the virus pushers, and are usually ignored or rebuffed. This is not a mere disagreement. There is intentional concealment and denial happening; the protection of image, audience and income; an almost impenetrable in-group mentality; and in the process, the supposed freedom fighters are doing just that -- they are fighting against freedom.
Yes, a sad state of affairs. While others may be intentionally concealing and denying, my sense is that Charles is not. Though he has blind spots and makes moral compromises like most humans do, my sense of him is he has an open heart. He needs the information you have to offer. I'd like to see the conversation you initiated with him continue.
If politics is the art of the possible, so is astrology. People are capable of reflection and change. Particularly with Jupiter conjunct Uranus!
This is not a personal critique. It's well known that the most significant split in the MFM (medical freedom movement, such as it is), is the virus-no virus divide. I was writing about this as early as May 2020 on Covid19 News, so it's not any kind of new issue. I am one of several people who have forced the matter into CHD and the Kennedy campaign; this round has gone on in a series of skirmishes back to early 2022. Is it plausible that Eisenstein doesn't know about any of this? Never heard of it, or of Christine Massey? He seemed sincere when I asked if he'd heard of Massey when he said no.
Charles knows about the virus/no-virus divide. He mentioned it in an essay several years ago but said, to paraphrase, “I can’t imagine all of virology is a lie.” My sense is he doesn’t understand the importance of the missing virus problem and thus has not taken the time to investigate it. So, he was sincere when he said he’d need to do further research in order to have a serious discussion with you. While he’s heard Christine Massey’s name before (I mentioned her but not the details of her work in a substack exchange from last May, which I will email you), I think it likely and understandable that he has not retained that memory and was also sincere when he told you he had not heard of her.
In short, I think Charles needs education on this issue and its crucial importance. As you know, a serious public discussion of the nature of viruses and whether or not they even exist could contribute to unravelling the rationale for the WHO global pandemic treaty.
Eric, Might be worthwhile to invite Robert Brigham from Vassar on the air for his view of the past 6 decades or so.
can you give me a clue about him - thank you
https://www.vassar.edu/institute-for-liberal-arts-programs/2018
https://www.vassar.edu/president/community/2023/appointment-faculty-director-institute-liberal-arts
what are you proposing I speak with him about?
Here’s his faculty page.
https://www.vassar.edu/faculty/robrigham
You’ll see from the link to his IrishTimes essay “How do you make sense of the VietNam war” that the history is still under evaluation
I’m imagining a typically wide-ranging Coppolino discussion on the past 6 decades with the starting point of Brigham’s professional specialisation, VietNam, which you’ve referred to above.
https://teachingmilitaryhistory.com/brigham_profile
You really are a great interviewer and investigative journalist
thank you...I do my best...I see my flaws, and there is something in every interview that I have to get right the next time. I am guided by the little kid in me, who is alive and curious and wants to make some sense out of what these adults are saying.
I admire your patience, intelligence, wit and you seem to have a sense of when to slip in a question. Timing is everything and you have that. great job!
Well, I ADORE Charles Eisenstein. I’ve been following him for a decade, and I’ve given to friends some three dozen copies of his book The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible. I really enjoyed this talk, and I’m so glad you shared it with us, Eric. Thank you.
Ya, for sure NOT
Gilbert & Sullivan . . .
Good stuff . . . however some bits are just too hot to handle
no campaign will do their own homework on the subject and then deliver any sort of statement at all about the ViroLIEgy issue . . . that would be divisive to the max!
Eisenstein LIED about legacy. He made out FDR to be "anti-imperialist." Never mind that via Bretton Woods and the like, and the UN, the CFR under FDR (in fact, while Henry Wallace was VP) created the post WWII US dominated New World Order. FDR cemented this personally via meeting with Kind Saud of Saudi Arabia in Feb 1945 on a US navy ship docked in the Suez Canal, created the petrodollar and the US-Saudi alliance.
He lied about the entire post WWII era, "the greatest country in history," in fact a rampaging murderous empire. And he lied about JFK's ample role in furthering that legacy. i've discussed this with Eric on two occasions.
I discussed the Kennedys directly, in a conversation regarding the discussion between RFK Jr and Joe Rogen.
https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/joe-rogan-and-robert-f-kennedy-jr?utm_source=publication-search
I discussed the Trilateral Commission \ in this one, the Kennedys came up.
https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/why-was-trump-indicted-a-close-reading
Against censorship? How about RFK Jr's tweet in October lauding Bill Ackman, a hedge fund billionaire, over his demands that Harvard U repress expressions of opposition to the Israeli genocide?
And here's more about Charles Eisenstein (CE)
https://wrenchinthegears.com/2023/05/26/camelot-corner-with-operation-snow-white-and-charles-eisenstein-as-troubadour/
Camelot Corner with Operation Snow White and Charles Eisenstein as Troubadour, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23.
Regarding the second video, which i have watched only an hour and 15 minutes of. From the blog entry,…...
"I also made two presentations focused on the role Charles Eisenstein, advisor to Web3 social impact platform Celo, will be playing to frame out a mythology around Bobby’s “Kennedy Democrat” candidacy. In the first video I explain how the initial phase of “authoritarian government” overreach set the stage for decentralized “tagged” agents exercising a radical, participatory digital “democracy” in a surveilled “commons” using tokens and a language of programmed “community” currency in a new game of noetic emergence. Also featured is the Bretton Woods 75 anniversary event sponsored by Bancor’s Galia Benartzi, Benjamin Netanyahu’s niece by marriage to his third wife Sara. The event, which was held at the historic Mount Washington hotel and featured yoga, storytelling around the campfire, tea ceremonies, and a lively debate over the future of reserve currencies (dollar, yuan, or crypto), was attended by 200 stakeholders from the worlds of global finance, blockchain, and social impact venture philanthropy. Charles gave a keynote presentation on inter-beingness, the death of “Mother Earth,” and the emergence of a new spirit, “Lover Earth,” that comes expecting gifts and is going to be keeping track of donations and withdrawals by humanity (cue distributed ledger technology).
In the second installment, I pulled clips from a podcast Charles and Bobby did last May about the need to move on from the climate / carbon discussion, braiding the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby. I demonstrated the hypocrisy Charles embodies as he calls for the transition to a sacred gift economy, even as he maintains a close affiliation with Celo and Sep Kamvar. Kamvar stays busy tokenizing human and natural capital (see IoT sensors in the slippers of pre-k children enrolled in the Wildflower Montessori franchise he founded while at MIT) and devising novel ways to scale remote sensing and automated measurement for the nature backed currency that Eisenstein proposed in his book “Sacred Economics.” I also laid out my concerns around Kennedy’s proposed recovery Peace Corps models based on my research into impact markets in the addiction space and the problematic history of San Patrignano.” McDowell mentioned this comment at the Substack, not mentioning the name of the person who commented. "RFK Jr. has very questionable ties to the global technocrat criminals as Alison McDowell ably documents in Wrench in the Gears (link further down). BUT, he's saying crucial truths that must be said and heard by the public that no other prominent political figure is saying. He is by far the best prospect out there and his family/fame gives him cred that the most virulent corporate propaganda media cannot censor completely short of doing to him what was done to his father and uncle and if THAT unspeakable happens, We the People will know whodunnit!” MdDowell emphasized that what she has done is NOT about "questionable ties to the global technocrat criminals” but about the Blockchain-run society RFK Jr himself is advancing, lamenting how many of her readers and viewers just don’t understand what she is saying and jump to facile conclusions.
The video is at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffWRhmzoi8
Courting "Lover Earth" With Cybernetic Community Currencies - Camelot Corner, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23, three hours and 47 minutes.
"In this episode I'll start examining the role Charles Eisenstein is playing in the RFK Jr. candidacy with a focus on decentralized community currencies and tokenized markets in Web3 "regenerative" finance.”
My notes/comments. Charles Eisenstein (CE) is now the “philosopher” of the RFK Jr presidential campaign. W.Aaron Vandiver "Can We Reboot the Environmental Movement — So It Protects Freedom, Too?’ 5/11/23 at CHD puts forth a Blockchain libertarian “alternative” social ecological movement, , connects to the ideas of Extinction Rebellion found Jem Brendell, evokes a 1865 speech by RFK Sr, and advances the notions of a “community currency” digital structure. “Resistance community” managed with a game based upon digital tokens. Decentralization system analysis, specialty currencies as per CE. Bendell has converted from corporate environmentalism to “eco-libertarianism.” CE however works with Celo, very much a corporate digital space entity. See the excerpt from the Blog entry, above, re Bretton Woods 75th anniversary and CE’s keynote address at it.
CE is about “debt jubilees, Universal Basic Income (UBI and digital currency, a cyber-regulated structure. RFK Jr is meanwhile promoting Bitcoin. Excerpts shown from his recent speech at a Crypto conference. “Your [digital]wallet is your own.” Alison emphasizes that the CBDC is jus one said of the emerging threat we face, the one which the likes of RFK Jr and much of the “freedom” movement exclusively focus upon. Community currency is the alleged “alternative” which in fact is NOT an “alternative.” 21:00 Surveillance is to be done to develop patterns to make predictions and engineer the people via He promotes “decentralization.” Yet he wants to keep the US as the center of Crypto, while calling for “some regulation.”
Government to be left behind n favor of machine encryption coding world. “Bitcoin is neutral” really means “accept Bitcoin domination.” Control grid coming via tokens, digital devices, compliance with the game. A move from “authoritarian government” to digital life. run by tokens. CE talked about digital currency way back in 2013. Entry on 5/15/23 at CE’s Substack https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/a-major-life-change "A Major Life Change.”
"It all started a couple months ago with a “coincidence.” Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. knew my work vaguely before then, as a fellow Covid dissident and environmentalist. But that had little to do with this coincidence. One of my readers won a fundraising raffle for “a day of falconry with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.” She was allowed to take a guest, so she invited me. I have no interest in falconry, but since I’d always admired Kennedy, I accepted the offer. There were a lot of people there, at least 15 including me and my son, Cary. At lunch, one of them was declaiming at length on some topic. I was just listening. But then Mr. Kennedy turned to me and said, “Charles, what do you think?” That is what began the relationship."
Not true, they did a major presentation together a year ago. So, CE promotes debt jubilee, UBI and a life run via digital currency, while RFK Jr is promoting eco-libertarianism. Contradictions, anyone? CE’s remark about “the nature of money” is totally bogus. Money is NOT “natural,” it is a totally contrived instrument of social control, made universally necessary on because of the global imposition of capitalist social relations, starting with the Enclosures in late medieval England and then spreading elsewhere via coercion. At 1:08:00, CE speaks, asserts that “money is a story.” Eh, right, just a story.
[See my next comment for more on CE)]
always great analysis Jeffrey
Thanks, Wendy!
I couldn’t listen to all of Eisenstein. I managed half an jour. Is it possible for anyone so ‘informed’ to be so utterly naive? Your questions were brilliant. Is he really stupid? Or a useful idiot?
Dear EFC, this BS talk is nearly identical to the crap that GW Bush said. "Heal", come together, ... non intervention ... blah blah. SSDD (same sh*t, different day). Roosevelt wanted to end the British Empire. Whatever. Where was all the pro-Israel and pro-virus talk?
Thank you for sharing.
About RFK Jr's VP pick, Nicole Shanahan, whom Eisenstein praised. Junior's "environmentalism" which he repeatedly brought up as a theme is actually about social impact investing, using 4IR to turn nature into digitally-monitored parcels of land and resources which function as investment instruments. And who better to implement this than 4IR queen Shanahan, one of the world's richest people, thanks to her ex husband, Google co-founder Sergey Brin?
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/a-heartbeat-away
A heartbeat away, Proton Magic, 4/6/24.
I havn’t seen much on RFK Jr.’s VP pick Nicole Shanahan, so I’ve hit on a chance to make a foray into politics, biotech, and injections all at the same time. The more I dug into it though the worse it got.
[These have links, each section starts with confirmed info and is followed by analysis marked with *.]
• Shanahan has spoken about artificial intelligence (AI) and the law.
*You’ll see below this means getting criminals out of the prison system and into….your backyard.
*AI=technocracy, lets add that to her score card.
• She is a member of the board of Carbon Royalty Corp.
*This Co deals in carbon credits-so we know she is a climate change pusher.[Well, worse, she’s pushing the idea that carbon credits can actually do something about the growing climate chaos we face, vs merely being a tool to further enrich the elite off a crisis their operations have created]
• Shanahan invested in Linus Biotechnology, Inc. “Using a strand of hair, we map the patterns of an individual’s unique biologic response to environmental exposures”
*Exposures like injections, chem trails and etc.?
“We are dedicated to the development and advancement of StrandDx™ASD, a non-invasive diagnostic aid for Autism Spectrum Disorder.”
*There is no specific biologic finding or possible test for ASD because it is a symptom complex not one thing. This is another labeling machine that will lead to interventions (like dangerous shots or meds) for the loads of kids with vax injury, ADHD, etc.
• “Our mission is to empower healthcare providers and families in making informed choices for their child's care”.
*Could this possibly recommend abortion or new-born euthanasia, surprise!
• In 2018, Shanahan helped fund and launch the Center for Female reproductive Longevity and Equality within the Buck Institute for Research on Aging.
*They are into Alzheimer’s research, cell-lines, and anti-aging. Sounds like a population council kind of organ, a way to manipulate dementia narratives from the shots, and prolong the elites’ lifespans, but I digress…..
• In 2019 she established her private foundation, Bia-Echo. The foundation is named after Bia, the ancient Greek goddess associated with energy. Bia-Echo's sole donor was Shanahan's then-husband [Google co-founderSergey Brin], . In 2020 Brin donated at least $23 million in shares of Alphabet (Google's parent company) to Bia-Echo.
Shanahan’s biography.
https://law.stanford.edu/nicole-shanahan/
"Nicole Shanahan is a California based attorney and the founder and president of Bia-Echo Foundation, a private foundation that aims to invest in changemakers at the forefront of innovation who are tackling some of the world’s greatest challenges: reproductive longevity & equality, criminal justice reform and a healthy & livable planet. Initial investments and projects led by Bia-Echo include the launch of the world’s first Center for Reproductive Longevity and Equality at the Buck Institute for Research on Aging and the Stanford Computational Policy Lab to drive social impact on criminal justice reform via data analysis and technical innovation. Prior to launching Bia-Echo, Nicole supported these efforts through the Sergey Brin Family Foundation.
Prior to shifting focus to philanthropic efforts, Nicole founded ClearAccessIP (now part of IPWe, Inc.), an integrated patent management company using AI to help the creators and owners of IP assets effectively develop, manage and transact patent-protected technology. She is also an academic fellow of CodeX, the Stanford Center of Legal Informatics, a joint center between Stanford Law School and Computer Science, where she launched the Smart Prosecution project, a multi-disciplinary effort applying data science to the prosecutorial process, involving partnerships with district attorneys and community organizations. Apart from the practical applications of legal technology, her academic research centers around Ronald Coase’s work on transaction cost theory. Entitled, “Coasean Mapping,” she theorizes on the pace and nature of society’s adoption of artificial intelligence for law and government.
The link at Shanahan’s bio page for "the Stanford Computational Policy Lab,” right above, takes you to the one at Harvard, which is directly linked to it.
https://policylab.hks.harvard.edu
"Driving social impact through technical innovation”
"At the Computational Policy Lab, we use technology to tackle pressing issues in criminal justice, education, voting rights, and beyond. Leveraging advances in data science, we study the impact of policy choices at unprecedented scales, and build algorithmic tools to guide high-stakes decisions. By bringing a computational perspective to public policy, we aim to improve the lives of millions of people — especially those affected by inefficient and unfair systems and practices.”
Jeff: This is making the global Blockchain-based digital panopticon sound like a fight for truth, justice and the American way. :-)
More on Charles Eisenstein. [For some reason, the first part about Eisenstein is posted further down, as if it was posted later, rather than earlier, as shown by the time stamp]
Alison McDowell on RFK Jr, Charles Eisenstein and their “beyond carbon” discussion of May 2022, juxtaposed with various statements/videos by them and associates over the last several years. It’s the last of the three videos in McDowell’s recent Camelot Corner blog post, the first two of which were discussed by me in previous LT editions.
The blog post, and the relevant note from it..
https://wrenchinthegears.com/2023/05/26/camelot-corner-with-operation-snow-white-and-charles-eisenstein-as-troubadour/
Camelot Corner with Operation Snow White and Charles Eisenstein as Troubadour, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23.
"In the second installment, I pulled clips from a podcast Charles and Bobby did last May about the need to move on from the climate / carbon discussion, braiding the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby. I demonstrated the hypocrisy Charles embodies as he calls for the transition to a sacred gift economy, even as he maintains a close affiliation with Celo and Sep Kamvar. Kamvar stays busy tokenizing human and natural capital (see IoT sensors in the slippers of pre-k children enrolled in the Wildflower Montessori franchise he founded while at MIT) and devising novel ways to scale remote sensing and automated measurement for the nature backed currency that Eisenstein proposed in his book “Sacred Economics.” I also laid out my concerns around Kennedy’s proposed recovery Peace Corps models based on my research into impact markets in the addiction space and the problematic history of San Patrignano."
The video is at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvRicYbX_CU
Moving Beyond Carbon - How About Peace Corps Recovery Centers? Camelot Corner, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23. Just under four hours.
My notes/comments. Time marks are approximate.
A lot on impact investment. RFK Jr’s campaign will take donations in Bitcoin, he promoted it at a Miami cryptocurrency conference. Smart contracts, impact investing, social engineering via cybernetics. Charles Eisenstein (CE) has not admitted his link to Celo, which is all about impact investing, in spite of Alison’s repeated questions posed to him.. (about 17:00) CE brings together "the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby.” This was at the 5/6/22 joint appearance,
“Time to Change” the climate conversation away from carbon, they way. Alison again protests that she is an environmentalist but does not believe in “climate change” as an emergency.. My challenge to her stands, she still confuses the climate crisis with what the-powers-that-shouldn’t-be wanna do about it, i.e. use it to push their Great Reset agenda. Celo, which CE is involved in as an adviser and inspirational figure, is heavily involved in carbon trading, even as CE asserts “we” need to go beyond carbon. Collectivo project on Curacao being put put forth as a model action, Web3 Blockchain “environmentalism” (1:20:00)
1:22:00 - Digital surveillance, put forth as a boon to ecosystems, to be extended to the entire world. RFK Jr states his goal to "restore “free market capitalism.”” Meanwhile CE pitched tight regulation via Blockchain to the Bretton Woods 75 conference (see previous video). Glaring contradiction. They both have it wrong. The problem is NOT “corrupt actors” but the system as a whole.
1:29:00 - New Economy, New Economy Society, “co-ops” based on token incentives. impact markets. Human capital finance foundations, and Open Society (Soros). Applying Blockchain to traditional practices, coopting them, digitizing them. CE talks against putting economic value on ecosystems. Applying all this to “health Care." Meanwhile Celo via a tweet (March ’20) talks about doing exactly that to rainforests, saying it is inspired by … CE See Leo Saraceno at Silicon Icarus for details. . CE puts forth Bobby Jr as a “crusader,” while we’re being driven into the global ant computer. (2:00:00)
2:02:00- RFK Jr puts forth a “recovery” program for addicts in Italy, San Patrignano, as a good model for his proposed Peace Corps. Turns out this was a labor camp, a program run by an Italian capitalist, heir to an oil fortune, program investigated, criminal charges filed over abuse. People were even indicted and convicted. Large businesses were involved, including Italy’s oil giant ENI. Free labor power for business.
2:45:00 - Psychedelics brought into the general scheme. McDowell has changed her mind somewhat, makes an effort to say she is not against free choice, does not wanna bring back the war on drugs, and recognizes that these substances have been part of traditional indigenous societies. She simply wants us to recognize that they will be employed as tools to enforce the new order in some way.
2:55:00 - Celo founder Sep Kamvar, as “inspired by CE,” on natural capital-backed currencies. Even though CE is against measuring this way?!! 3:04:00 - Turn citizen service into a tokenized relationship. 3:10:00 - The Kennedy legacy, evoking the Agency for International Development, created by JFK in 1961, as a promoter of “sustainable development.” It actually has facilitated US imperialism, AID acting as a branch of the CIA. Ted Kennedy, as senator, was responsible for Education Accountability, aka No Child Left Behind, which facilitated takeover of education by technology, something Ted Kennedy facilitated together with George W Bush.
3:24:00 - CE talks of JFK’;s presidency as “anti imperialist.” McDowell, a thorough researcher, didn’t bother doing much research into the sordid details, said little aside from speculating that maybe the powers wanna shift to using psychological force vs military force. This “anti-imperialist" characterization is an audacious, outrageous lie. JFK made a big deal during the 1960 campaign and then his presidency about re-enabling the US military to fight actual wars, vs total dependency upon nuclear weapons. Built up army conventional forces. And created the Green Berets, the intent being counterinsurgency war, The Special Forces Center in Ft Bragg, NC. bears his name. The JFK administration was the godfather of Latin America's death squads, via AID. The historical record is quite clear. See for instance the North American Council on Latin America's ample records. (NACLA)
After making anti-CIA statements, JFK in November 1961 (per brother Bobby’s advice) appointed major corporate bigwig and head of the then Atomic Energy Commission (!) head John McCone to head the CIA. The "Company" then went on (while JFK was president) to overthrow governments in Ecuador, Guatemala, El Salvador, British Guiana and Iraq, and carried out a de facto coup in Canada to oust John Diefenbaker as premier, a man JFK "hated" (per Bobby Senior) because he refused to arm Canadian air defense missiles with US nukes, and in general refused to integrate Canada's air defense system into NORAD, McCone did oppose the overthrow of the Diem regime in "South Vietnam" (a US created puppet) but was overruled by JFK. And JFK totally supported US backing of NATO, an organization whose prime purpose was and still is to facilitate US domination of Europe and Eurasia/Africa.
3:36:00 Crowing about the campaign drawing support from both “left” and “right,” including Lew Rockwell, the head of the Mises Institute, an “anarcho-capitalist.” Meanwhile, support from the mainstream centrists like the New America Foundation. integral theory, “the good kind of capitalism,” capitalism with “spirituality." Del Bigree’s father, pastor of the Unity Church in Boulder. Talk of how the Kennedy presidency was a “fork in the road,” Kennedy mythology. Breitbart puts forth the idea that Bobby Sr ran in 1968 “against the military industrial complex,” when in reality he stated in his speeches that he was against a pullout from Vietnam, simply wanted Vietnams troops to do more of the ground fighting and also to counter “corruption.” The talk in the movement is all about “the deep state,” and very little about Web3, Blockchain digital slavery.
Thank you for the transcript, I didn't have the stomach to listen all the way through to the good bit.
Perhaps a different approach may bear fruit by not asking about the virus directly, but rather something leading like the following: “Are you going to continue to roll with the dominant paradigm that is proven to cause harm and death, or do you want to seek the truth?”
Being an experienced political speaker, he will not likely give a direct answer, but we can keep asking 😎. Not only can we keep asking RFK Jr., but anyone in any position who clings to what is false.
I didn't ask about the virus; I asked about the gain of function and lab leak conspiracy theories.