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Classic gatekeeper response from a professional obfuscation controlled opposition agent. Is it actually interesting at this point in the great unraveling to listen to these mendacious idiots engage in the same tired verbal gymnastics.

Be well Eric

And keep on keeping on. . .

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It's funny how often this old quote applies:

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

― Upton Sinclair

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Wow, man. Oh la la. Kudos to you sir, and then some. It was "rich", as the English say. So much bla bla bla and then comes you with a wee simple question and it all goes to shit. It's amazing. Thank you. One thing occurred to me, though. Indeed the word "conspiracy" is inadequate for something that is actually a sacramented, decades long, institutionalized fraud. It's much bigger than a conspiracy. So big that they can't see it. Maybe something to refine a bit more in the terrain camp, so we can get rid of this word "conspiracy". (Excuse my English - Brazilian here). Thank you again. Loved it.

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As soon as I heard the phrase "The conspiracy would have to be so vast" the alarm went off.

The conspiracy is never vast, just the effects of it.

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Pretty much the same answer you got from RFK Jr himself when you asked him. No surprise that this philosopher falls back on “I don’t know enough to comment.”

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Thank you for posting this, Eric.

You introduced me to Charles’ work via your COVID-19 news, when you featured one of his essays. As I recall, it was “Mob Morality and the Unvaxxed,” about the theories of the philosopher Rene Girard on scapegoating—the human propensity, across cultures and throughout history, to project our hurt and rage onto a marginalized group of individuals and “sacrifice” (vilify and/or kill) them.

I see the main thrust of Charles’ work as this—how do we humans stop othering each other? For me, that effort begins with a look at my own behavior. After four years of being scapegoated for refusing the vax, I’m carrying a motherlode of rage; I’d like nothing more than to push it onto some individual or group. But I’m learning to express this rage in the company of close friends, and I try to cultivate conversations with those who disagree with me.

Many of you on this thread rightly point out errors in Charles thinking. But the scapegoating of Charles I see here disturbs me. I abhor the treatment the main wing of the health freedom movement has dished out to people like you, Eric. Nevertheless, the way forward is not to serve it back to them.

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Regarding Eisenstein saying that the CEOs of the pharma manufacturer and the big oil company are nice people, it’s important to understand that nice people aren’t necessarily good people.

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You really are a great interviewer and investigative journalist

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Well, I ADORE Charles Eisenstein. I’ve been following him for a decade, and I’ve given to friends some three dozen copies of his book The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible. I really enjoyed this talk, and I’m so glad you shared it with us, Eric. Thank you.

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Ya, for sure NOT

Gilbert & Sullivan . . .

Good stuff . . . however some bits are just too hot to handle

no campaign will do their own homework on the subject and then deliver any sort of statement at all about the ViroLIEgy issue . . . that would be divisive to the max!

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Eisenstein LIED about legacy. He made out FDR to be "anti-imperialist." Never mind that via Bretton Woods and the like, and the UN, the CFR under FDR (in fact, while Henry Wallace was VP) created the post WWII US dominated New World Order. FDR cemented this personally via meeting with Kind Saud of Saudi Arabia in Feb 1945 on a US navy ship docked in the Suez Canal, created the petrodollar and the US-Saudi alliance.

He lied about the entire post WWII era, "the greatest country in history," in fact a rampaging murderous empire. And he lied about JFK's ample role in furthering that legacy. i've discussed this with Eric on two occasions.

I discussed the Kennedys directly, in a conversation regarding the discussion between RFK Jr and Joe Rogen.

https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/joe-rogan-and-robert-f-kennedy-jr?utm_source=publication-search

I discussed the Trilateral Commission \ in this one, the Kennedys came up.

https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/why-was-trump-indicted-a-close-reading

Against censorship? How about RFK Jr's tweet in October lauding Bill Ackman, a hedge fund billionaire, over his demands that Harvard U repress expressions of opposition to the Israeli genocide?

And here's more about Charles Eisenstein (CE)

https://wrenchinthegears.com/2023/05/26/camelot-corner-with-operation-snow-white-and-charles-eisenstein-as-troubadour/

Camelot Corner with Operation Snow White and Charles Eisenstein as Troubadour, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23.

Regarding the second video, which i have watched only an hour and 15 minutes of. From the blog entry,…...

"I also made two presentations focused on the role Charles Eisenstein, advisor to Web3 social impact platform Celo, will be playing to frame out a mythology around Bobby’s “Kennedy Democrat” candidacy. In the first video I explain how the initial phase of “authoritarian government” overreach set the stage for decentralized “tagged” agents exercising a radical, participatory digital “democracy” in a surveilled “commons” using tokens and a language of programmed “community” currency in a new game of noetic emergence. Also featured is the Bretton Woods 75 anniversary event sponsored by Bancor’s Galia Benartzi, Benjamin Netanyahu’s niece by marriage to his third wife Sara. The event, which was held at the historic Mount Washington hotel and featured yoga, storytelling around the campfire, tea ceremonies, and a lively debate over the future of reserve currencies (dollar, yuan, or crypto), was attended by 200 stakeholders from the worlds of global finance, blockchain, and social impact venture philanthropy. Charles gave a keynote presentation on inter-beingness, the death of “Mother Earth,” and the emergence of a new spirit, “Lover Earth,” that comes expecting gifts and is going to be keeping track of donations and withdrawals by humanity (cue distributed ledger technology).

In the second installment, I pulled clips from a podcast Charles and Bobby did last May about the need to move on from the climate / carbon discussion, braiding the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby. I demonstrated the hypocrisy Charles embodies as he calls for the transition to a sacred gift economy, even as he maintains a close affiliation with Celo and Sep Kamvar. Kamvar stays busy tokenizing human and natural capital (see IoT sensors in the slippers of pre-k children enrolled in the Wildflower Montessori franchise he founded while at MIT) and devising novel ways to scale remote sensing and automated measurement for the nature backed currency that Eisenstein proposed in his book “Sacred Economics.” I also laid out my concerns around Kennedy’s proposed recovery Peace Corps models based on my research into impact markets in the addiction space and the problematic history of San Patrignano.” McDowell mentioned this comment at the Substack, not mentioning the name of the person who commented. "RFK Jr. has very questionable ties to the global technocrat criminals as Alison McDowell ably documents in Wrench in the Gears (link further down). BUT, he's saying crucial truths that must be said and heard by the public that no other prominent political figure is saying. He is by far the best prospect out there and his family/fame gives him cred that the most virulent corporate propaganda media cannot censor completely short of doing to him what was done to his father and uncle and if THAT unspeakable happens, We the People will know whodunnit!” MdDowell emphasized that what she has done is NOT about "questionable ties to the global technocrat criminals” but about the Blockchain-run society RFK Jr himself is advancing, lamenting how many of her readers and viewers just don’t understand what she is saying and jump to facile conclusions.

The video is at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffWRhmzoi8

Courting "Lover Earth" With Cybernetic Community Currencies - Camelot Corner, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23, three hours and 47 minutes.

"In this episode I'll start examining the role Charles Eisenstein is playing in the RFK Jr. candidacy with a focus on decentralized community currencies and tokenized markets in Web3 "regenerative" finance.”

My notes/comments. Charles Eisenstein (CE) is now the “philosopher” of the RFK Jr presidential campaign. W.Aaron Vandiver "Can We Reboot the Environmental Movement — So It Protects Freedom, Too?’ 5/11/23 at CHD puts forth a Blockchain libertarian “alternative” social ecological movement, , connects to the ideas of Extinction Rebellion found Jem Brendell, evokes a 1865 speech by RFK Sr, and advances the notions of a “community currency” digital structure. “Resistance community” managed with a game based upon digital tokens. Decentralization system analysis, specialty currencies as per CE. Bendell has converted from corporate environmentalism to “eco-libertarianism.” CE however works with Celo, very much a corporate digital space entity. See the excerpt from the Blog entry, above, re Bretton Woods 75th anniversary and CE’s keynote address at it.

CE is about “debt jubilees, Universal Basic Income (UBI and digital currency, a cyber-regulated structure. RFK Jr is meanwhile promoting Bitcoin. Excerpts shown from his recent speech at a Crypto conference. “Your [digital]wallet is your own.” Alison emphasizes that the CBDC is jus one said of the emerging threat we face, the one which the likes of RFK Jr and much of the “freedom” movement exclusively focus upon. Community currency is the alleged “alternative” which in fact is NOT an “alternative.” 21:00 Surveillance is to be done to develop patterns to make predictions and engineer the people via He promotes “decentralization.” Yet he wants to keep the US as the center of Crypto, while calling for “some regulation.”

Government to be left behind n favor of machine encryption coding world. “Bitcoin is neutral” really means “accept Bitcoin domination.” Control grid coming via tokens, digital devices, compliance with the game. A move from “authoritarian government” to digital life. run by tokens. CE talked about digital currency way back in 2013. Entry on 5/15/23 at CE’s Substack https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/a-major-life-change "A Major Life Change.”

"It all started a couple months ago with a “coincidence.” Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. knew my work vaguely before then, as a fellow Covid dissident and environmentalist. But that had little to do with this coincidence. One of my readers won a fundraising raffle for “a day of falconry with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.” She was allowed to take a guest, so she invited me. I have no interest in falconry, but since I’d always admired Kennedy, I accepted the offer. There were a lot of people there, at least 15 including me and my son, Cary. At lunch, one of them was declaiming at length on some topic. I was just listening. But then Mr. Kennedy turned to me and said, “Charles, what do you think?” That is what began the relationship."

Not true, they did a major presentation together a year ago. So, CE promotes debt jubilee, UBI and a life run via digital currency, while RFK Jr is promoting eco-libertarianism. Contradictions, anyone? CE’s remark about “the nature of money” is totally bogus. Money is NOT “natural,” it is a totally contrived instrument of social control, made universally necessary on because of the global imposition of capitalist social relations, starting with the Enclosures in late medieval England and then spreading elsewhere via coercion. At 1:08:00, CE speaks, asserts that “money is a story.” Eh, right, just a story.

[See my next comment for more on CE)]

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I couldn’t listen to all of Eisenstein. I managed half an jour. Is it possible for anyone so ‘informed’ to be so utterly naive? Your questions were brilliant. Is he really stupid? Or a useful idiot?

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Dear EFC, this BS talk is nearly identical to the crap that GW Bush said. "Heal", come together, ... non intervention ... blah blah. SSDD (same sh*t, different day). Roosevelt wanted to end the British Empire. Whatever. Where was all the pro-Israel and pro-virus talk?

Thank you for sharing.

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About RFK Jr's VP pick, Nicole Shanahan, whom Eisenstein praised. Junior's "environmentalism" which he repeatedly brought up as a theme is actually about social impact investing, using 4IR to turn nature into digitally-monitored parcels of land and resources which function as investment instruments. And who better to implement this than 4IR queen Shanahan, one of the world's richest people, thanks to her ex husband, Google co-founder Sergey Brin?

https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/a-heartbeat-away

A heartbeat away, Proton Magic, 4/6/24.

I havn’t seen much on RFK Jr.’s VP pick Nicole Shanahan, so I’ve hit on a chance to make a foray into politics, biotech, and injections all at the same time. The more I dug into it though the worse it got.

[These have links, each section starts with confirmed info and is followed by analysis marked with *.]

• Shanahan has spoken about artificial intelligence (AI) and the law.

*You’ll see below this means getting criminals out of the prison system and into….your backyard.

*AI=technocracy, lets add that to her score card.

• She is a member of the board of Carbon Royalty Corp.

*This Co deals in carbon credits-so we know she is a climate change pusher.[Well, worse, she’s pushing the idea that carbon credits can actually do something about the growing climate chaos we face, vs merely being a tool to further enrich the elite off a crisis their operations have created]

• Shanahan invested in Linus Biotechnology, Inc. “Using a strand of hair, we map the patterns of an individual’s unique biologic response to environmental exposures”

*Exposures like injections, chem trails and etc.?

“We are dedicated to the development and advancement of StrandDx™ASD, a non-invasive diagnostic aid for Autism Spectrum Disorder.”

*There is no specific biologic finding or possible test for ASD because it is a symptom complex not one thing. This is another labeling machine that will lead to interventions (like dangerous shots or meds) for the loads of kids with vax injury, ADHD, etc.

• “Our mission is to empower healthcare providers and families in making informed choices for their child's care”.

*Could this possibly recommend abortion or new-born euthanasia, surprise!

• In 2018, Shanahan helped fund and launch the Center for Female reproductive Longevity and Equality within the Buck Institute for Research on Aging.

*They are into Alzheimer’s research, cell-lines, and anti-aging. Sounds like a population council kind of organ, a way to manipulate dementia narratives from the shots, and prolong the elites’ lifespans, but I digress…..

• In 2019 she established her private foundation, Bia-Echo. The foundation is named after Bia, the ancient Greek goddess associated with energy. Bia-Echo's sole donor was Shanahan's then-husband [Google co-founderSergey Brin], . In 2020 Brin donated at least $23 million in shares of Alphabet (Google's parent company) to Bia-Echo.

Shanahan’s biography.

https://law.stanford.edu/nicole-shanahan/

"Nicole Shanahan is a California based attorney and the founder and president of Bia-Echo Foundation, a private foundation that aims to invest in changemakers at the forefront of innovation who are tackling some of the world’s greatest challenges: reproductive longevity & equality, criminal justice reform and a healthy & livable planet. Initial investments and projects led by Bia-Echo include the launch of the world’s first Center for Reproductive Longevity and Equality at the Buck Institute for Research on Aging and the Stanford Computational Policy Lab to drive social impact on criminal justice reform via data analysis and technical innovation. Prior to launching Bia-Echo, Nicole supported these efforts through the Sergey Brin Family Foundation.

Prior to shifting focus to philanthropic efforts, Nicole founded ClearAccessIP (now part of IPWe, Inc.), an integrated patent management company using AI to help the creators and owners of IP assets effectively develop, manage and transact patent-protected technology. She is also an academic fellow of CodeX, the Stanford Center of Legal Informatics, a joint center between Stanford Law School and Computer Science, where she launched the Smart Prosecution project, a multi-disciplinary effort applying data science to the prosecutorial process, involving partnerships with district attorneys and community organizations. Apart from the practical applications of legal technology, her academic research centers around Ronald Coase’s work on transaction cost theory. Entitled, “Coasean Mapping,” she theorizes on the pace and nature of society’s adoption of artificial intelligence for law and government.

The link at Shanahan’s bio page for "the Stanford Computational Policy Lab,” right above, takes you to the one at Harvard, which is directly linked to it.

https://policylab.hks.harvard.edu

"Driving social impact through technical innovation”

"At the Computational Policy Lab, we use technology to tackle pressing issues in criminal justice, education, voting rights, and beyond. Leveraging advances in data science, we study the impact of policy choices at unprecedented scales, and build algorithmic tools to guide high-stakes decisions. By bringing a computational perspective to public policy, we aim to improve the lives of millions of people — especially those affected by inefficient and unfair systems and practices.”

Jeff: This is making the global Blockchain-based digital panopticon sound like a fight for truth, justice and the American way. :-)

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More on Charles Eisenstein. [For some reason, the first part about Eisenstein is posted further down, as if it was posted later, rather than earlier, as shown by the time stamp]

Alison McDowell on RFK Jr, Charles Eisenstein and their “beyond carbon” discussion of May 2022, juxtaposed with various statements/videos by them and associates over the last several years. It’s the last of the three videos in McDowell’s recent Camelot Corner blog post, the first two of which were discussed by me in previous LT editions.

The blog post, and the relevant note from it..

https://wrenchinthegears.com/2023/05/26/camelot-corner-with-operation-snow-white-and-charles-eisenstein-as-troubadour/

Camelot Corner with Operation Snow White and Charles Eisenstein as Troubadour, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23.

"In the second installment, I pulled clips from a podcast Charles and Bobby did last May about the need to move on from the climate / carbon discussion, braiding the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby. I demonstrated the hypocrisy Charles embodies as he calls for the transition to a sacred gift economy, even as he maintains a close affiliation with Celo and Sep Kamvar. Kamvar stays busy tokenizing human and natural capital (see IoT sensors in the slippers of pre-k children enrolled in the Wildflower Montessori franchise he founded while at MIT) and devising novel ways to scale remote sensing and automated measurement for the nature backed currency that Eisenstein proposed in his book “Sacred Economics.” I also laid out my concerns around Kennedy’s proposed recovery Peace Corps models based on my research into impact markets in the addiction space and the problematic history of San Patrignano."

The video is at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvRicYbX_CU

Moving Beyond Carbon - How About Peace Corps Recovery Centers? Camelot Corner, Alison McDowell, 5/26/23. Just under four hours.

My notes/comments. Time marks are approximate.

A lot on impact investment. RFK Jr’s campaign will take donations in Bitcoin, he promoted it at a Miami cryptocurrency conference. Smart contracts, impact investing, social engineering via cybernetics. Charles Eisenstein (CE) has not admitted his link to Celo, which is all about impact investing, in spite of Alison’s repeated questions posed to him.. (about 17:00) CE brings together "the strands of eco-Bobby, with health freeDOM Bobby, and now Bitcoin Bobby.” This was at the 5/6/22 joint appearance,

“Time to Change” the climate conversation away from carbon, they way. Alison again protests that she is an environmentalist but does not believe in “climate change” as an emergency.. My challenge to her stands, she still confuses the climate crisis with what the-powers-that-shouldn’t-be wanna do about it, i.e. use it to push their Great Reset agenda. Celo, which CE is involved in as an adviser and inspirational figure, is heavily involved in carbon trading, even as CE asserts “we” need to go beyond carbon. Collectivo project on Curacao being put put forth as a model action, Web3 Blockchain “environmentalism” (1:20:00)

1:22:00 - Digital surveillance, put forth as a boon to ecosystems, to be extended to the entire world. RFK Jr states his goal to "restore “free market capitalism.”” Meanwhile CE pitched tight regulation via Blockchain to the Bretton Woods 75 conference (see previous video). Glaring contradiction. They both have it wrong. The problem is NOT “corrupt actors” but the system as a whole.

1:29:00 - New Economy, New Economy Society, “co-ops” based on token incentives. impact markets. Human capital finance foundations, and Open Society (Soros). Applying Blockchain to traditional practices, coopting them, digitizing them. CE talks against putting economic value on ecosystems. Applying all this to “health Care." Meanwhile Celo via a tweet (March ’20) talks about doing exactly that to rainforests, saying it is inspired by … CE See Leo Saraceno at Silicon Icarus for details. . CE puts forth Bobby Jr as a “crusader,” while we’re being driven into the global ant computer. (2:00:00)

2:02:00- RFK Jr puts forth a “recovery” program for addicts in Italy, San Patrignano, as a good model for his proposed Peace Corps. Turns out this was a labor camp, a program run by an Italian capitalist, heir to an oil fortune, program investigated, criminal charges filed over abuse. People were even indicted and convicted. Large businesses were involved, including Italy’s oil giant ENI. Free labor power for business.

2:45:00 - Psychedelics brought into the general scheme. McDowell has changed her mind somewhat, makes an effort to say she is not against free choice, does not wanna bring back the war on drugs, and recognizes that these substances have been part of traditional indigenous societies. She simply wants us to recognize that they will be employed as tools to enforce the new order in some way.

2:55:00 - Celo founder Sep Kamvar, as “inspired by CE,” on natural capital-backed currencies. Even though CE is against measuring this way?!! 3:04:00 - Turn citizen service into a tokenized relationship. 3:10:00 - The Kennedy legacy, evoking the Agency for International Development, created by JFK in 1961, as a promoter of “sustainable development.” It actually has facilitated US imperialism, AID acting as a branch of the CIA. Ted Kennedy, as senator, was responsible for Education Accountability, aka No Child Left Behind, which facilitated takeover of education by technology, something Ted Kennedy facilitated together with George W Bush.

3:24:00 - CE talks of JFK’;s presidency as “anti imperialist.” McDowell, a thorough researcher, didn’t bother doing much research into the sordid details, said little aside from speculating that maybe the powers wanna shift to using psychological force vs military force. This “anti-imperialist" characterization is an audacious, outrageous lie. JFK made a big deal during the 1960 campaign and then his presidency about re-enabling the US military to fight actual wars, vs total dependency upon nuclear weapons. Built up army conventional forces. And created the Green Berets, the intent being counterinsurgency war, The Special Forces Center in Ft Bragg, NC. bears his name. The JFK administration was the godfather of Latin America's death squads, via AID. The historical record is quite clear. See for instance the North American Council on Latin America's ample records. (NACLA)

After making anti-CIA statements, JFK in November 1961 (per brother Bobby’s advice) appointed major corporate bigwig and head of the then Atomic Energy Commission (!) head John McCone to head the CIA. The "Company" then went on (while JFK was president) to overthrow governments in Ecuador, Guatemala, El Salvador, British Guiana and Iraq, and carried out a de facto coup in Canada to oust John Diefenbaker as premier, a man JFK "hated" (per Bobby Senior) because he refused to arm Canadian air defense missiles with US nukes, and in general refused to integrate Canada's air defense system into NORAD, McCone did oppose the overthrow of the Diem regime in "South Vietnam" (a US created puppet) but was overruled by JFK. And JFK totally supported US backing of NATO, an organization whose prime purpose was and still is to facilitate US domination of Europe and Eurasia/Africa.

3:36:00 Crowing about the campaign drawing support from both “left” and “right,” including Lew Rockwell, the head of the Mises Institute, an “anarcho-capitalist.” Meanwhile, support from the mainstream centrists like the New America Foundation. integral theory, “the good kind of capitalism,” capitalism with “spirituality." Del Bigree’s father, pastor of the Unity Church in Boulder. Talk of how the Kennedy presidency was a “fork in the road,” Kennedy mythology. Breitbart puts forth the idea that Bobby Sr ran in 1968 “against the military industrial complex,” when in reality he stated in his speeches that he was against a pullout from Vietnam, simply wanted Vietnams troops to do more of the ground fighting and also to counter “corruption.” The talk in the movement is all about “the deep state,” and very little about Web3, Blockchain digital slavery.

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Thank you for the transcript, I didn't have the stomach to listen all the way through to the good bit.

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