This is an excerpt from Sunday's Planet Waves FM on Pacifica Radio, featuring two segments from the Doc Malik podcast: one with Ivor Cummins and another with Dr. Robert Malone.
What Malone means by "Isolated virus available out there for sale" is what Saeed Qureshi wrote about back in early 2022, it's being passed off as "isolate." Not the same as the primers or amplicons.
Buyer Beware!, January 10, 2022 Dr. Saeed Qureshi, Ph.D.
Yesterday, someone inquired that the SARS-CoV-2 virus and its variant are commercially available, so why do people say it has not been isolated? If the virus has not been isolated, what are they selling in vials for $1200/vial? Please consider reading the description carefully. It is not the (isolated) virus but the lysate/isolate, i.e., soup from “culturing” the swab sample. For example, see here Heat-inactivated SARS-CoV-2, Delta variant (link)
Under Detailed product information/Comments
“This isolate is lineage AY.24″
“The following mutations are present in the clinical isolate:”
(Note the word “isolate,” which is cell culture/gunk, not the isolated virus)
Under Shipping information: “Each vial contains approximately 0.25 mL of heat-inactivated, clarified cell lysate and supernatant” (note the word “lysate,” which is the soup from the breakup of cells in medium/culture, not the virus).
For $1200, what’s the customer really buying? A diluted human mucus/phlegm/mucus from swab samples with all kinds of added chemicals (30+), including African green monkey kidney cell (Vero cells) broth. In short, they are faking it and lying all the way with confidence and authority!
No wonder Costcos-, Walmarts, Amazons, etc., of the world, do not sell this stuff. They will be behind bars the following day for making such false claims and marketing. Remember Theranos (link) The fact remains, no one has isolated, purified, and characterized the virus. Therefore, it is not available from anywhere. Sorry!
In an interview with James Dellingpole, JD asks Ivor about the existence of viruses. Ivor was very forthright, he said he has some bias towards viruses from when he was younger and studied them, but the real point was something to the effect that if he promoted the non-existence of viruses he'd lose too many people. Which to me, is a political calculation rather than one of scientific truth.
Sure. (Although one could argue that there's not much distinction anymore.) All these people you mention have developed platforms that provide income. Yes, it might well tank their business model. But it doesn't build trust in ones readership. It builds just another form of tribalism.
As to the health freedom movement in general, it has decidedly become right wing and as far as I am concerned, no longer populated by truth seekers. And this was predictable...
and d'accord on the right wing thing -- though it starts there, really...there was very little critique of the lockdowns from "the left" -- I know this because I am mostly leftist in my politics (anti-war basis, not "progressive"). However, this is a strange right-wing view: for example, being "anti-state" is not really right-wing. These concepts have lost most of their value. I remain Quaker, with all the traditional connotations.
The anti-state thing is libertarian, and the libertarians have been much better in their criticism of Covid than the conservatives. But I don't have time to go into it now, but I see the anti-state (free market fundamentalism) aspect of US libertarianism as a fraud. Most markets are created by the state for example. Where would the market be for Covid vaccines w/o the state?
yeah the free market is garbage, or there would not have been TARP. the "free marketeers" are a bunch of religious hucksters. and society could not function without traffic lights and ambulance corps.
The modern state and capital emerged onto the stage of history joined at the hip, in late Medieval England, with The Enclosures. They have remained so as their joint system expanded to encompass the entire planet, and The Enclosures have been extended to every facet of human life, including now our very bodily functions, to be monitored 24/7 under 4IR.
Anti statists include anarchists of all stripes, including anarcho-communists, as well as libertarian communists and council communists. Marx became an advocate of eliminating the state after the Paris Commune, more and more later, as with his Ethnographic Notebooks, not published till the 1980s.
They are similar. There is also a religious/existential element, which I think is running the show from behind. Underneath it all is the digital problem, destabilizing everyone and everything. For most of these presenters, they were Normies before the "covid" rodeo. And now that "covid" is dissolving into the Brave New World beyond, there is no longer a central organizing principle. I watched this happen in stages in 21 and 22. It's also historically documented to have caused a similar crisis of tribalism at the end of the Vietnam War, when that central organizing principle gave way to tribalism and my tribe versus your tribe.
Even the architects of 'covid' do not give any indication they believe in viruses.
When the BBC, Cambridge University and LSHTM created their amazing model of contagion back in 2017 they skipped anything to do with viruses (or biology in general) and went straight to smartphone apps. They got 30,000 volunteers to download an app to their phone which allowed them to be tracked, and they passed this off as a 'contagion' data set. The data set became (in their words) the new 'gold standard' for pandemic modelling. It also formed the basis for government policy (ie lockdowns) at the start of 2020, again by their own admission.
The 'pandemic' was literally based on digital smartphone apps, not 'viruses'.
If the health freedom movement could just stay off the internet for a month or two, the masses might be able to figure out the whole 'pandemic' lark is all a load of digital tomfoolery and nothing to worry about.
Well-remembered CS (and well done, Eric for spotting this heap of nonsense which really needed calling out.) We (two old fogeys in the UK) saw Malone coming over a year ago (https://www.rosemaryfrei.ca/robert-malone-an-enigma-wrapped-in-many-unanswered-questions/) and have never rated Malik. Cummins seemed OK at first with his number-crunching but then he started on about 'Covid kicking out the flu' because it was 'the new virus on the block' and that was it for us. EFC is right to point out just how much money is being made by the big names in alternative media.
Agreed about the internet, too. Even if the so-called HFM (I don't actually believe there is a movement) just stayed off bloody Twitter/X that would be a good start. Practically all the apparent screaming and shouting between the so-called no-virus camp and the virus-pushers seems to take place there and it's painful to see the likes of Mike Stone and Christine Massey write articles about how they've got embroiled in pointless wrangles with time-wasters and/or shills.
This manufactured dispute, in my opinion, is acting against us and it's why people like Kevin Corbett, Miri Finch and other otherwise stalwarts, seem to have distanced themselves from overtly supporting the no-virus position, and that's worrying.
I try to keep what's left of my sanity by avoiding MSM & social media.. Oh and there's no Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology in this house either. That helps.
If viruses do not actually exist how did Ivor study them? Has he been living in a lie for most of his professional life and cannot see a way out of the paradigm that has been created for him and so many others in his position? They will never be safe. Not from us or the people that control them.
we do not know the extent of his "study." however, this is the problem currently with all of virology. listen to Mallone in a fury over the claimed furan cleavage site on his pretend phantom virus.
Stefan Lanka is the scientist who exposed the fact Germ theory has been falsified. He produced two videos on YouTube where he explained the history of the fraud and what would happen in the future. He did this in 2009 having exposed the HIV/AIDS fraud in the early 1990s.
It has been so obvious right from the start that Malone and many others were not forthcoming with the truth around viruses. Any person who says they have worked with and studied viruses for decades has to know they do not exist and anything they are now saying in support of viruses including SARS CoV-2 has to be considered a lie.
I worked out in 2021 that there were no photos of actual viruses even though there had been descriptions of viruses for well over a 150 years and there was no way to see them. I started to think they were lying so I studied more just so I could understand one way or the other, I went through the descriptions of many viruses and then went on to the virus definition. It was then I started to realise that they were talking about dead entities that could not replicated as described, and I reluctantly came to the realisation that viruses could not exist, and I felt a real sense of panic. A set of lifelong beliefs and experiences suddenly had no logical explanation and it felt like I was standing on a trapdoor over a bottomless pit and the trapdoor had a faulty catch. I went over everything that I had found and there was no other explanation apart from the fact that viruses did not exist and had never existed.
Luckily I had been following the Baileys and it was not long after that they did their presentation about viruses and I felt a sense of vindication and relief, and they have since answered many other questions that I had already developed.
The thing is; if I and many others like me can do a relatively small amount of research and each come to the same conclusions individually without all that training that the so called experts have done, then it seems that the vast majority of "experts" in these fields are lying and have been doing so for most of their careers, and the positions they hold and the money they make depends on those lies.
I liked Ivor Cummins in the early days of covid insanity because he talked a lot of sense. However, I lost interest in him once I understood the fraud of virology because it can get very irritating listening to people talking about ‘viruses’ as if they are actually a thing.
But I have also become very disillusioned with the way some people in the ‘no-virus’ camp appear to be aggressively attacking everyone in the ‘virus-believing freedom community’ and trying to claim they are somehow all ‘controlled opposition’.
So I actually found the explanation given by Ivor Cummins in this video of why he “won’t go there” to be refreshingly honest. I think he has a genuine affection for ‘viral theory’ because of all the time he spent studying it 40 years ago. But more than that, I think he is probably correct that for him to admit that virology is a fraud, certainly at this present time, would torpedo the popularity and influence he has achieved over the past few years as well as potentially cripple him financially.
Of course, this seems rather at odds with his belief in stoicism and the quotation he paraphrases as ‘the only thing an honest man has to do is not partake in the lie’. Nevertheless, I think to myself, who am I to judge him for this? I think back to the 18 months or so that I complied with the mandate to wear a mask in my healthcare job in the UK even though I knew perfectly well it was both pointless and cruel. I complied because, at the time, I could not see a way out that would not have had devastating financial consequences for me and my family and I also tried to convince myself that it was the only way I could continue to try and provide help and care for the many patients I see.
It's impossible for me to know what the outcome would have been if I’d had the courage back then to stand for the truth. It did at least inspire me to make to the necessary changes to ensure I now have another source of income in case similar circumstances arise in the future. But it has also made me feel somewhat empathetic to the position being taken by both Cummins and Malik in this video interview.
<< But I have also become very disillusioned with the way some people in the ‘no-virus’ camp appear to be aggressively attacking everyone in the ‘virus-believing freedom community’ and trying to claim they are somehow all ‘controlled opposition’. >>
I perhaps should have clarified that I am not talking about any of those I consider to be the leading proponents of the ‘no-virus’ argument, many of whom I consider to be some of the most levelheaded and judicious individuals I have come across. I am talking about certain characters on Facebook and Twitter who frequently hide behind anonymous profiles.
I do also wonder whether there is some validity in the argument that too much focus on the virus issue may be a distraction from understanding the bigger picture of what might be going on. The benefits of understanding the contagion myth seem to me to be beneficial on an individual level rather than a means by which we can hope to solve the many problems in this world.
No, it's not a distraction IMO. It's the central issue; it is what's going on. Viruses and vaccines are the central delusion of what Samuel Hahnemann called "allopathy."
There is a further problem in that virus advocates are now knowingly lying by concealing their knowledge of the problem. In so doing, they are leading their "followers" to fall for the next pandemic and the next medicine and the next antiviral, all of which are poison.
This is no trivial issue. Virus pushers tend to go on about Wuhan leaks and germ warfare and gain of function with NO evidence, by which I mean direct or indirect scientific data, to support that view.
We're not just discussing viruses; the whole of "germ theory" is in question, and this is not a matter of religion. It's very much a practical matter.
Medical training runs deep, and is based on hundreds of unquestioned presumptions. One of those is contagion; another is viruses; and both support the "vaccine" concept, which is sickening and deadly in all forms.
Have you read/studied A Farewell to Virology by M Bailey? It's a paper, not a book.
Personally I do understand that allopathic medicine is a dangerous death cult and if science was conducted properly then the germ ‘theory’ of disease would have been consigned to a footnote in history many decades ago. I’ve thought this way since the early 90s when I first came to understand the AIDS fraud. But I have also had to accept the utter futility of trying to engage the vast majority of people to even have a discussion about this, let alone inspire them to put in the amount of work it takes to really get your head around it.
I don’t wish to sound negative, I really appreciate all the work you and other put into exposing these lies. I guess I am just tired of all the division and fighting I see online and am losing hope that I will live to see the day that there is widespread acknowledgment of the monumental misconceptions allopathy has made regarding health and disease.
Have you considered that the other side of this is paid to disrupt those putting out a sane, sensible, humanitarian narrative? You can wring your hands and tug at your hair. What are you doing to help?
I think the only thing I have within my power to try and make this world a slightly better place is to show kindness towards those people I meet regardless of whether I think their outlook on life is anything like in alignment with mine. Sadly that currently involves a lot of self-censorship because it is rarely possible to discuss the failings of our ‘healthcare’ system with the people I come into contact with. I am thinking that sometimes it’s better to meet someone halfway because trying to explain to a person who has trusted the medical profession all their life that virology and germ theory is total bunk is likely to further reinforce their opinion that we are the deluded ones.
Do you think that Doc Malik and Ivor Cummins are paid disrupters as you describe?
I struggle to believe anything about Fullmich is real.
I had this on last night and fell asleep. It came into my dream and I was arguing science points with the speakers but no one would listen to me and they all talked over me. Of course they did because they couldn’t hear me, it was your show. I was so angry!
It beggars belief that,with so many amazing presenters and journalists available, such as yourself and many others, someone might actually decide that Doc Malik is worth 3 seconds of their time. I gave him a go when I first became aware of him about 6 months ago, I couldn't stand him. I lasted about 5 minutes before realising he was an imature unprofessional idiot. Dont get me wrong, there are not many people that can specialise in immature, unproffesionality and idiocy quite like me, but there is a time and a place. Thanks Eric
I’ve been a supporter of Ivor’s for quite a few years now, and of course I find this to be very disappointing, but I’ve seen it before. I’ll try to include links to another podcast from a march 2022 below if you want to check, but what he says when the problem of the absence of any proof of the existence of viruses comes up is essentially “I can’t sell it”. I’ll remain his supporter because I feel I owe him my life in many ways. First because of his work on diet and how he stands against the insane dietary guidelines, statins and Big Pharma in general and then later calling out the lies about covid, excess deaths etc.
Ironically Doc Malik and Ivor mention early on that “no one can be right about everything” as if to cover their backs (cluelessly). Maybe a guy like Ivor has to see the world through a quite narrow lens in order to achieve the things he does. I guess he might see “I can’t sell it” as pragmatism, deciding to avoid finding the truth so he can steer clear of confounding controversy on a topic that might distract from the points he burns for, not realizing that this is the basic premise and the very foundation of all these lies.
His stance reminds me of “the greater good” that we have heard so much about lately.
Humans aren’t granted very much when they are born into this world but one thing should be bodily autonomy. Forcing medical procedures upon people is a violation of this right. The problem with “the greater good” is that someone gets to decide what that is, and that someone is never you. Something to bear in mind when one ducks away from the truth while talking about the age of cowardice.
Good morning. imo this a very important matter: that of actual integrity and consistency of approach to any topic that affects the public — especially within one's area of specialization. I was appalled by the chummy way these two presenters agreed to lie to the public for their own convenience and their own benefit. Regarding the topic of the virus, there is no such thing as a "health freedom advocate" who pushes the core narrative that supported and facilitated global tyranny — when they know or have reason to know that it's false. That is not public advocacy and it's not journalism. There is a word for it: propaganda. Just like all the rest. That they opened up about it so casually is revealing of their lack of situational awareness. And I wonder who those "enemies" of Cummins might be. Surely not Anthony Fauci or the WHO. He could apply for a grant from them and might get it.
As you know, once people realise that viruses have never been proven to exist (Mark Bailey’s ‘Farewell to Virology’ is THE most comprehensive essay on the subject) then all of contagion, pandemics and vaccine ‘solutions’ ends so anyone clinging to the existence of them by now must surely have a different agenda. Especially any serious scientist or anyone who knows the minimum requirement of the Scientific method.
Mr Bernaysauce, Do we know each other? I feel we should? I tried contacting you on substack but there is no function for that. MsRobinDann@gmail.com or Ro Dann on FB
Yes, Ivor Cummins shocked me with his cynical position on the no virus position. It is instructive for us all to witness someone who has forensic ability and a clear interest in freedom of thought and action, yet openly willing to fundamentally compromise the truth in order to achieve an outcome. His wisdom sadly fails here, as we can never create freedom on the back of a lie, or in this case on the back of calculated willful ignorance. Shame on you Ivor. That's from someone who previously held him in the highest intellectual regard and regard as a man. Very disappointing.
I first learned of Ivor in the Keto community in 2018. He had put out a film in Ireland called "Widowmaker" or something to that effect that was documenting the cholesterol/heart disease myth and promoted a medical test called a CAC (coronary artery calcium) which is far more accurate in reflecting if one has heart disease or not.
Anyway, he was being financed by some millionaire to make the film. I liked Ivor, but now after learning that he takes the position of lying to support his family rather than setting an example of how to fight for freedom for his kids....I don't respect him. Such a shame. Those of us....working class....who don't have a trust fund/pension/house and assets for retirement...have to make serious choices. Keep your slave job and sell your soul and children's soul to the WEF satan worshipers or take a risk, find solution to live and set an example for your kids. God or Universe always rewards brave, loving risk takers.
Also though, with this very admission, Ivor is opening up the door to his followers to question it themselves, as he has technically declared that he is on the fence by not dismissing No Virus outright.
I gave up with Ivor Cummins several years ago. His grip on reality is zero and thanks to Eric, these clips prove it.
There was a terrible physical REACTION to the roll out of 5G as it was switched on worldwide and the authorities claimed it was caused by a ‘virus’.
Whatever these bozos have ‘isolated’ in their bogus fraudulent virology, they look remarkably like exosomes which are packets of junk put out by contaminated cells on their way to be disposed.
Electro-magnetic radiation is essential for the Internet of Things and the Internet of Bodies. Telecommunications corporations are being protected by the false flag deceit taught in medical establishments worldwide.
If a doctor were to talk to an expert in microwaves we would have the dawn of understanding - but here we are after four years not even off first base in this matter.
This looks interesting, I will read. I recently saw an interview with the author of “The Indoctrinated Brain” that was super interesting. They knew 100% isolation causes brain shrinkage, complacency
No one wants to be wrong. No one will take responsibility for an experiment gone wrong. Yes, I am speculating, but it seems to me the world was shut down to see how much of an effect humans have on climate. The experiment proved that humans do have a huge impact! And, of course, justified ‘their’ ends( Pfizer’s vaccine).
there was an economic meltdown happening in 2019. in parallel there were other plans for a new generation of "vaccines" and electronic control of the population. Peanut butter and chocolate.
Also, not in the time line, Trump and China's President, Xi Jinping, made a trade deal that contained a clause allowing either party to break the contract if there is some kind of world disaster or epidemic.
I wrote a 'note' on fb about it with the source, but how convenient of fb to get rid of 'notes' without notice or permission. But I found this through Goo...top of the search: https://www.wita.org/blogs/how-covid-19-affects-u-s-china/
There is a "missing virus problem" in relation to what RFK Jr, Robert Malone, Doc Malik, Ivor Cummins, Pierre Kory, Peter McCullough, JJ Couey and their colleagues have said and continue to say by their continued parroting of the "Pandemic"/"COVID-19"/"SARS-Cov-2” fraud narrative. The fact that there is no proof that the alleged virus has been proven to exist via physical isolation and purification creates a HUGE problem for their espousal of this narrative.
Yep. I will be coming back to this. I've been tough on Malik, who is a hapless fool, but we must give him credit for being the place where Malone finally came unraveled.
Yes Jeff- we’ve been around this ‘block’ many times, and yet- there seems to be nothing novel around the bend-perhaps because the cornerstone that is so rotten is also key...
The virus is missing- and it’s a problem for those who would continue to push its existence ( I.e. ‘write missives to it’) I didn’t mean to imply that your take was somehow deficient- or that pathogenic viruses exist.
Jeffrey Strahl
Lockdown Times
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What Malone means by "Isolated virus available out there for sale" is what Saeed Qureshi wrote about back in early 2022, it's being passed off as "isolate." Not the same as the primers or amplicons.
https://bioanalyticx.com/buyer-beware/
Buyer Beware!, January 10, 2022 Dr. Saeed Qureshi, Ph.D.
Yesterday, someone inquired that the SARS-CoV-2 virus and its variant are commercially available, so why do people say it has not been isolated? If the virus has not been isolated, what are they selling in vials for $1200/vial? Please consider reading the description carefully. It is not the (isolated) virus but the lysate/isolate, i.e., soup from “culturing” the swab sample. For example, see here Heat-inactivated SARS-CoV-2, Delta variant (link)
Under Detailed product information/Comments
“This isolate is lineage AY.24″
“The following mutations are present in the clinical isolate:”
(Note the word “isolate,” which is cell culture/gunk, not the isolated virus)
Under Shipping information: “Each vial contains approximately 0.25 mL of heat-inactivated, clarified cell lysate and supernatant” (note the word “lysate,” which is the soup from the breakup of cells in medium/culture, not the virus).
For $1200, what’s the customer really buying? A diluted human mucus/phlegm/mucus from swab samples with all kinds of added chemicals (30+), including African green monkey kidney cell (Vero cells) broth. In short, they are faking it and lying all the way with confidence and authority!
No wonder Costcos-, Walmarts, Amazons, etc., of the world, do not sell this stuff. They will be behind bars the following day for making such false claims and marketing. Remember Theranos (link) The fact remains, no one has isolated, purified, and characterized the virus. Therefore, it is not available from anywhere. Sorry!
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In an interview with James Dellingpole, JD asks Ivor about the existence of viruses. Ivor was very forthright, he said he has some bias towards viruses from when he was younger and studied them, but the real point was something to the effect that if he promoted the non-existence of viruses he'd lose too many people. Which to me, is a political calculation rather than one of scientific truth.
Worse than a political calculation, it's a business move -- which is like saying you're offering pure vegan food, but adding bacon.
Yes, he's 5 kids to feed. He mentioned this a few times.
So, admitting he's compromised........
Sure. (Although one could argue that there's not much distinction anymore.) All these people you mention have developed platforms that provide income. Yes, it might well tank their business model. But it doesn't build trust in ones readership. It builds just another form of tribalism.
As to the health freedom movement in general, it has decidedly become right wing and as far as I am concerned, no longer populated by truth seekers. And this was predictable...
and d'accord on the right wing thing -- though it starts there, really...there was very little critique of the lockdowns from "the left" -- I know this because I am mostly leftist in my politics (anti-war basis, not "progressive"). However, this is a strange right-wing view: for example, being "anti-state" is not really right-wing. These concepts have lost most of their value. I remain Quaker, with all the traditional connotations.
The anti-state thing is libertarian, and the libertarians have been much better in their criticism of Covid than the conservatives. But I don't have time to go into it now, but I see the anti-state (free market fundamentalism) aspect of US libertarianism as a fraud. Most markets are created by the state for example. Where would the market be for Covid vaccines w/o the state?
yeah the free market is garbage, or there would not have been TARP. the "free marketeers" are a bunch of religious hucksters. and society could not function without traffic lights and ambulance corps.
The modern state and capital emerged onto the stage of history joined at the hip, in late Medieval England, with The Enclosures. They have remained so as their joint system expanded to encompass the entire planet, and The Enclosures have been extended to every facet of human life, including now our very bodily functions, to be monitored 24/7 under 4IR.
Anti statists include anarchists of all stripes, including anarcho-communists, as well as libertarian communists and council communists. Marx became an advocate of eliminating the state after the Paris Commune, more and more later, as with his Ethnographic Notebooks, not published till the 1980s.
https://libcom.org/library/karl-marx-iroquois-franklin-rosemont
They are similar. There is also a religious/existential element, which I think is running the show from behind. Underneath it all is the digital problem, destabilizing everyone and everything. For most of these presenters, they were Normies before the "covid" rodeo. And now that "covid" is dissolving into the Brave New World beyond, there is no longer a central organizing principle. I watched this happen in stages in 21 and 22. It's also historically documented to have caused a similar crisis of tribalism at the end of the Vietnam War, when that central organizing principle gave way to tribalism and my tribe versus your tribe.
Even the architects of 'covid' do not give any indication they believe in viruses.
When the BBC, Cambridge University and LSHTM created their amazing model of contagion back in 2017 they skipped anything to do with viruses (or biology in general) and went straight to smartphone apps. They got 30,000 volunteers to download an app to their phone which allowed them to be tracked, and they passed this off as a 'contagion' data set. The data set became (in their words) the new 'gold standard' for pandemic modelling. It also formed the basis for government policy (ie lockdowns) at the start of 2020, again by their own admission.
The 'pandemic' was literally based on digital smartphone apps, not 'viruses'.
If the health freedom movement could just stay off the internet for a month or two, the masses might be able to figure out the whole 'pandemic' lark is all a load of digital tomfoolery and nothing to worry about.
Well-remembered CS (and well done, Eric for spotting this heap of nonsense which really needed calling out.) We (two old fogeys in the UK) saw Malone coming over a year ago (https://www.rosemaryfrei.ca/robert-malone-an-enigma-wrapped-in-many-unanswered-questions/) and have never rated Malik. Cummins seemed OK at first with his number-crunching but then he started on about 'Covid kicking out the flu' because it was 'the new virus on the block' and that was it for us. EFC is right to point out just how much money is being made by the big names in alternative media.
Here's a link to the 'Contagion' app information: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1755436518300306
Agreed about the internet, too. Even if the so-called HFM (I don't actually believe there is a movement) just stayed off bloody Twitter/X that would be a good start. Practically all the apparent screaming and shouting between the so-called no-virus camp and the virus-pushers seems to take place there and it's painful to see the likes of Mike Stone and Christine Massey write articles about how they've got embroiled in pointless wrangles with time-wasters and/or shills.
This manufactured dispute, in my opinion, is acting against us and it's why people like Kevin Corbett, Miri Finch and other otherwise stalwarts, seem to have distanced themselves from overtly supporting the no-virus position, and that's worrying.
I try to keep what's left of my sanity by avoiding MSM & social media.. Oh and there's no Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology in this house either. That helps.
If viruses do not actually exist how did Ivor study them? Has he been living in a lie for most of his professional life and cannot see a way out of the paradigm that has been created for him and so many others in his position? They will never be safe. Not from us or the people that control them.
we do not know the extent of his "study." however, this is the problem currently with all of virology. listen to Mallone in a fury over the claimed furan cleavage site on his pretend phantom virus.
Stefan Lanka is the scientist who exposed the fact Germ theory has been falsified. He produced two videos on YouTube where he explained the history of the fraud and what would happen in the future. He did this in 2009 having exposed the HIV/AIDS fraud in the early 1990s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cnlynJZLtM
I don't think you can find the second part on Youtube.
It has been so obvious right from the start that Malone and many others were not forthcoming with the truth around viruses. Any person who says they have worked with and studied viruses for decades has to know they do not exist and anything they are now saying in support of viruses including SARS CoV-2 has to be considered a lie.
I worked out in 2021 that there were no photos of actual viruses even though there had been descriptions of viruses for well over a 150 years and there was no way to see them. I started to think they were lying so I studied more just so I could understand one way or the other, I went through the descriptions of many viruses and then went on to the virus definition. It was then I started to realise that they were talking about dead entities that could not replicated as described, and I reluctantly came to the realisation that viruses could not exist, and I felt a real sense of panic. A set of lifelong beliefs and experiences suddenly had no logical explanation and it felt like I was standing on a trapdoor over a bottomless pit and the trapdoor had a faulty catch. I went over everything that I had found and there was no other explanation apart from the fact that viruses did not exist and had never existed.
Luckily I had been following the Baileys and it was not long after that they did their presentation about viruses and I felt a sense of vindication and relief, and they have since answered many other questions that I had already developed.
The thing is; if I and many others like me can do a relatively small amount of research and each come to the same conclusions individually without all that training that the so called experts have done, then it seems that the vast majority of "experts" in these fields are lying and have been doing so for most of their careers, and the positions they hold and the money they make depends on those lies.
I liked Ivor Cummins in the early days of covid insanity because he talked a lot of sense. However, I lost interest in him once I understood the fraud of virology because it can get very irritating listening to people talking about ‘viruses’ as if they are actually a thing.
But I have also become very disillusioned with the way some people in the ‘no-virus’ camp appear to be aggressively attacking everyone in the ‘virus-believing freedom community’ and trying to claim they are somehow all ‘controlled opposition’.
So I actually found the explanation given by Ivor Cummins in this video of why he “won’t go there” to be refreshingly honest. I think he has a genuine affection for ‘viral theory’ because of all the time he spent studying it 40 years ago. But more than that, I think he is probably correct that for him to admit that virology is a fraud, certainly at this present time, would torpedo the popularity and influence he has achieved over the past few years as well as potentially cripple him financially.
Of course, this seems rather at odds with his belief in stoicism and the quotation he paraphrases as ‘the only thing an honest man has to do is not partake in the lie’. Nevertheless, I think to myself, who am I to judge him for this? I think back to the 18 months or so that I complied with the mandate to wear a mask in my healthcare job in the UK even though I knew perfectly well it was both pointless and cruel. I complied because, at the time, I could not see a way out that would not have had devastating financial consequences for me and my family and I also tried to convince myself that it was the only way I could continue to try and provide help and care for the many patients I see.
It's impossible for me to know what the outcome would have been if I’d had the courage back then to stand for the truth. It did at least inspire me to make to the necessary changes to ensure I now have another source of income in case similar circumstances arise in the future. But it has also made me feel somewhat empathetic to the position being taken by both Cummins and Malik in this video interview.
<< But I have also become very disillusioned with the way some people in the ‘no-virus’ camp appear to be aggressively attacking everyone in the ‘virus-believing freedom community’ and trying to claim they are somehow all ‘controlled opposition’. >>
Lynne, who in particular?
Who? Look up dpl on substack.
I think their work is excellent but boi they are aggressive.
I perhaps should have clarified that I am not talking about any of those I consider to be the leading proponents of the ‘no-virus’ argument, many of whom I consider to be some of the most levelheaded and judicious individuals I have come across. I am talking about certain characters on Facebook and Twitter who frequently hide behind anonymous profiles.
I do also wonder whether there is some validity in the argument that too much focus on the virus issue may be a distraction from understanding the bigger picture of what might be going on. The benefits of understanding the contagion myth seem to me to be beneficial on an individual level rather than a means by which we can hope to solve the many problems in this world.
Hi Lynne,
No, it's not a distraction IMO. It's the central issue; it is what's going on. Viruses and vaccines are the central delusion of what Samuel Hahnemann called "allopathy."
There is a further problem in that virus advocates are now knowingly lying by concealing their knowledge of the problem. In so doing, they are leading their "followers" to fall for the next pandemic and the next medicine and the next antiviral, all of which are poison.
This is no trivial issue. Virus pushers tend to go on about Wuhan leaks and germ warfare and gain of function with NO evidence, by which I mean direct or indirect scientific data, to support that view.
We're not just discussing viruses; the whole of "germ theory" is in question, and this is not a matter of religion. It's very much a practical matter.
Medical training runs deep, and is based on hundreds of unquestioned presumptions. One of those is contagion; another is viruses; and both support the "vaccine" concept, which is sickening and deadly in all forms.
Have you read/studied A Farewell to Virology by M Bailey? It's a paper, not a book.
Personally I do understand that allopathic medicine is a dangerous death cult and if science was conducted properly then the germ ‘theory’ of disease would have been consigned to a footnote in history many decades ago. I’ve thought this way since the early 90s when I first came to understand the AIDS fraud. But I have also had to accept the utter futility of trying to engage the vast majority of people to even have a discussion about this, let alone inspire them to put in the amount of work it takes to really get your head around it.
I don’t wish to sound negative, I really appreciate all the work you and other put into exposing these lies. I guess I am just tired of all the division and fighting I see online and am losing hope that I will live to see the day that there is widespread acknowledgment of the monumental misconceptions allopathy has made regarding health and disease.
Have you considered that the other side of this is paid to disrupt those putting out a sane, sensible, humanitarian narrative? You can wring your hands and tug at your hair. What are you doing to help?
I think the only thing I have within my power to try and make this world a slightly better place is to show kindness towards those people I meet regardless of whether I think their outlook on life is anything like in alignment with mine. Sadly that currently involves a lot of self-censorship because it is rarely possible to discuss the failings of our ‘healthcare’ system with the people I come into contact with. I am thinking that sometimes it’s better to meet someone halfway because trying to explain to a person who has trusted the medical profession all their life that virology and germ theory is total bunk is likely to further reinforce their opinion that we are the deluded ones.
Do you think that Doc Malik and Ivor Cummins are paid disrupters as you describe?
I struggle to believe anything about Fullmich is real.
I had this on last night and fell asleep. It came into my dream and I was arguing science points with the speakers but no one would listen to me and they all talked over me. Of course they did because they couldn’t hear me, it was your show. I was so angry!
It beggars belief that,with so many amazing presenters and journalists available, such as yourself and many others, someone might actually decide that Doc Malik is worth 3 seconds of their time. I gave him a go when I first became aware of him about 6 months ago, I couldn't stand him. I lasted about 5 minutes before realising he was an imature unprofessional idiot. Dont get me wrong, there are not many people that can specialise in immature, unproffesionality and idiocy quite like me, but there is a time and a place. Thanks Eric
I’ve been a supporter of Ivor’s for quite a few years now, and of course I find this to be very disappointing, but I’ve seen it before. I’ll try to include links to another podcast from a march 2022 below if you want to check, but what he says when the problem of the absence of any proof of the existence of viruses comes up is essentially “I can’t sell it”. I’ll remain his supporter because I feel I owe him my life in many ways. First because of his work on diet and how he stands against the insane dietary guidelines, statins and Big Pharma in general and then later calling out the lies about covid, excess deaths etc.
Ironically Doc Malik and Ivor mention early on that “no one can be right about everything” as if to cover their backs (cluelessly). Maybe a guy like Ivor has to see the world through a quite narrow lens in order to achieve the things he does. I guess he might see “I can’t sell it” as pragmatism, deciding to avoid finding the truth so he can steer clear of confounding controversy on a topic that might distract from the points he burns for, not realizing that this is the basic premise and the very foundation of all these lies.
His stance reminds me of “the greater good” that we have heard so much about lately.
Humans aren’t granted very much when they are born into this world but one thing should be bodily autonomy. Forcing medical procedures upon people is a violation of this right. The problem with “the greater good” is that someone gets to decide what that is, and that someone is never you. Something to bear in mind when one ducks away from the truth while talking about the age of cowardice.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nbW8UT0PvHRy/
Ivor Cummins on Virus Mania Podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXA00eT7xHo
Kate Wand and Bruce Pardy on the topic of morality
Good morning. imo this a very important matter: that of actual integrity and consistency of approach to any topic that affects the public — especially within one's area of specialization. I was appalled by the chummy way these two presenters agreed to lie to the public for their own convenience and their own benefit. Regarding the topic of the virus, there is no such thing as a "health freedom advocate" who pushes the core narrative that supported and facilitated global tyranny — when they know or have reason to know that it's false. That is not public advocacy and it's not journalism. There is a word for it: propaganda. Just like all the rest. That they opened up about it so casually is revealing of their lack of situational awareness. And I wonder who those "enemies" of Cummins might be. Surely not Anthony Fauci or the WHO. He could apply for a grant from them and might get it.
As you know, once people realise that viruses have never been proven to exist (Mark Bailey’s ‘Farewell to Virology’ is THE most comprehensive essay on the subject) then all of contagion, pandemics and vaccine ‘solutions’ ends so anyone clinging to the existence of them by now must surely have a different agenda. Especially any serious scientist or anyone who knows the minimum requirement of the Scientific method.
Professor X, in the garage, with some Dominicans. ( I solved it ! )
Mr Bernaysauce, Do we know each other? I feel we should? I tried contacting you on substack but there is no function for that. MsRobinDann@gmail.com or Ro Dann on FB
Yes, Ivor Cummins shocked me with his cynical position on the no virus position. It is instructive for us all to witness someone who has forensic ability and a clear interest in freedom of thought and action, yet openly willing to fundamentally compromise the truth in order to achieve an outcome. His wisdom sadly fails here, as we can never create freedom on the back of a lie, or in this case on the back of calculated willful ignorance. Shame on you Ivor. That's from someone who previously held him in the highest intellectual regard and regard as a man. Very disappointing.
I first learned of Ivor in the Keto community in 2018. He had put out a film in Ireland called "Widowmaker" or something to that effect that was documenting the cholesterol/heart disease myth and promoted a medical test called a CAC (coronary artery calcium) which is far more accurate in reflecting if one has heart disease or not.
Anyway, he was being financed by some millionaire to make the film. I liked Ivor, but now after learning that he takes the position of lying to support his family rather than setting an example of how to fight for freedom for his kids....I don't respect him. Such a shame. Those of us....working class....who don't have a trust fund/pension/house and assets for retirement...have to make serious choices. Keep your slave job and sell your soul and children's soul to the WEF satan worshipers or take a risk, find solution to live and set an example for your kids. God or Universe always rewards brave, loving risk takers.
Also though, with this very admission, Ivor is opening up the door to his followers to question it themselves, as he has technically declared that he is on the fence by not dismissing No Virus outright.
I gave up with Ivor Cummins several years ago. His grip on reality is zero and thanks to Eric, these clips prove it.
There was a terrible physical REACTION to the roll out of 5G as it was switched on worldwide and the authorities claimed it was caused by a ‘virus’.
Whatever these bozos have ‘isolated’ in their bogus fraudulent virology, they look remarkably like exosomes which are packets of junk put out by contaminated cells on their way to be disposed.
Electro-magnetic radiation is essential for the Internet of Things and the Internet of Bodies. Telecommunications corporations are being protected by the false flag deceit taught in medical establishments worldwide.
If a doctor were to talk to an expert in microwaves we would have the dawn of understanding - but here we are after four years not even off first base in this matter.
EMF = COVID19
This may be of interest to
https://open.substack.com/pub/claudiofabinguevara/p/covid-as-trauma-monarch-programming?
This looks interesting, I will read. I recently saw an interview with the author of “The Indoctrinated Brain” that was super interesting. They knew 100% isolation causes brain shrinkage, complacency
No one wants to be wrong. No one will take responsibility for an experiment gone wrong. Yes, I am speculating, but it seems to me the world was shut down to see how much of an effect humans have on climate. The experiment proved that humans do have a huge impact! And, of course, justified ‘their’ ends( Pfizer’s vaccine).
there was an economic meltdown happening in 2019. in parallel there were other plans for a new generation of "vaccines" and electronic control of the population. Peanut butter and chocolate.
https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-self-fulfilling-prophecy-systemic-collapse-and-pandemic-simulation/
WoW! Still reading, but precisely why no one will take responsibility--angry mobs coming for their balls!
Also, not in the time line, Trump and China's President, Xi Jinping, made a trade deal that contained a clause allowing either party to break the contract if there is some kind of world disaster or epidemic.
oh I would love a reference for that -- thank you...
I wrote a 'note' on fb about it with the source, but how convenient of fb to get rid of 'notes' without notice or permission. But I found this through Goo...top of the search: https://www.wita.org/blogs/how-covid-19-affects-u-s-china/
There’s no missing virus problem-
Unless ... one’s been busy,
writing missives to the virus...
There is a "missing virus problem" in relation to what RFK Jr, Robert Malone, Doc Malik, Ivor Cummins, Pierre Kory, Peter McCullough, JJ Couey and their colleagues have said and continue to say by their continued parroting of the "Pandemic"/"COVID-19"/"SARS-Cov-2” fraud narrative. The fact that there is no proof that the alleged virus has been proven to exist via physical isolation and purification creates a HUGE problem for their espousal of this narrative.
MALIK: "So you isolated the live virus?"
MALONE: "The live virus is available throughout the world".
That's NOT what he asked.
Yep. I will be coming back to this. I've been tough on Malik, who is a hapless fool, but we must give him credit for being the place where Malone finally came unraveled.
Exactly. And the answer isn't true either,, as i noted.
Yes Jeff- we’ve been around this ‘block’ many times, and yet- there seems to be nothing novel around the bend-perhaps because the cornerstone that is so rotten is also key...
The cornerstone is virology, period. What a long, strange scam it's been.
Or is the cornerstone the contagion myth in general?
True!! Thanks, indeed even more fundamental.
Ed, are you kidding?
Uhh, no...
( but I may be incomprehensible)
Well then, if the virus is not missing, please show it to me.
The virus is missing- and it’s a problem for those who would continue to push its existence ( I.e. ‘write missives to it’) I didn’t mean to imply that your take was somehow deficient- or that pathogenic viruses exist.