Dioxin historian Carol van Strum joins me as I take the history of dioxin back to the first known incident, at a BASF plant in WV in 1949. And: Was the movie "White Noise" predictive programming?
I thought i had already heard the worst possible stories possible regarding toxic chemicals before this month, after some 43 years of following such stories. But what i heard in the first hour and 35 minutes tonight supersedes all that. Thanks very much Eric for gathering this material together and *sharing* it with us and with the world, i'm doing my best to get it out.
You are scaring the poop outta me... . Plan tonight is to listen to this. I know these chemicals do not go away, or dilute to zero. Even a close friend of mine who had a relevant 'Environmental Degree' of some sort from the 80's couldn't talk to me about Polychlorinated biphenyls and the hormonal disruption in polar bears/river and sea otters, etc., and that was back in the mid 90's. Stimulated by a book "Our Stolen Future". He said he knew too much, and I said I needed to talk as a way to process all this chemical sh*tfuckery. Too bad for not only me, but all of us. People seem to very much not want to know (the truth).
Sorry about that, just felt an urgent need to say this. Indeed, people have generally not wanted to know the truth about this ever since i started paying attention, probably feeling they would feel compelled to do something while also feeling that they were powerless and could do nothing. Ever since the early '70s, a cultural counterrevolution has been going on to erase the small gains of "The Sixties" in empowerment and social participation.
The digital revolution has provided steroids for this cultural repression. 9/11 and Operation "Pandemic" have been the two most recent segments of the counterrevolution, People can read about in the (aptly named) "The Cancer Stage of Capitalism" by John McMurtrey and "Rich Media, Poor Democracy" by Robert McChesney, both came out in 1999.
I mean really folks?! $$$ Billions spent on war with Russia - I mean helping Ukraine - but no $ Millions for disaster assistance for your own countryman. Pathetic. (Oh - who actually benefitted from said 'aid to Ukraine' financially?)
This whole tragedy reminds me of the Federal government's lack of rebuilding assistance in Mississippi + Louisiana, Alabama, after Hurricane Katrina. ( I was there helping family rebuild on the Gulf Coast, and it looked like war scenes even months later; piles of houses in mounds, debris and boats in trees, 'potholes' the side of semi trucks, etc..) Figures at the time was $1 Billion @ day in Iraq 'Defense Budget'. Halliburton had lucrative contract over there, even by cosmic standards.
I did send out to the few groups I am in info and links to Planetwaves. Thanks Eric and team for being vigilant. This is becoming evident of who exactly the war is on with. Best.
My ears picked up when you and Carol mentioned Phisohex. My mom has that when I was little--till she learned it was toxic! I have a lot to learn about these horrors, so I’m reading all the articles you’ve shared here on your Substack page. Thanks for a great show.
Yes, in the 70's us kids were told by mom to use Phisohex after a cousin had hepatitis, supposedly from 'not washing hands' after using the toilet. At least we were only subjected to it for a few years. Sheesh.... . This is after she told us that we are not to drink tap water as it is carcinogenic, and explained. We lived in New Orleans area, so the mighty Mississippi River was our water source. So we drank spring water from then on.
Almost done with the movie Carol recommended "The People vs Agent Orange".
I'm almost speechless.
My husband and my father both were in Nam and were sprayed with that shit. They both have health issues from it. It makes me worry for our son and my other nieces and nephews and their kids.
I thought i had already heard the worst possible stories possible regarding toxic chemicals before this month, after some 43 years of following such stories. But what i heard in the first hour and 35 minutes tonight supersedes all that. Thanks very much Eric for gathering this material together and *sharing* it with us and with the world, i'm doing my best to get it out.
You are scaring the poop outta me... . Plan tonight is to listen to this. I know these chemicals do not go away, or dilute to zero. Even a close friend of mine who had a relevant 'Environmental Degree' of some sort from the 80's couldn't talk to me about Polychlorinated biphenyls and the hormonal disruption in polar bears/river and sea otters, etc., and that was back in the mid 90's. Stimulated by a book "Our Stolen Future". He said he knew too much, and I said I needed to talk as a way to process all this chemical sh*tfuckery. Too bad for not only me, but all of us. People seem to very much not want to know (the truth).
Sorry about that, just felt an urgent need to say this. Indeed, people have generally not wanted to know the truth about this ever since i started paying attention, probably feeling they would feel compelled to do something while also feeling that they were powerless and could do nothing. Ever since the early '70s, a cultural counterrevolution has been going on to erase the small gains of "The Sixties" in empowerment and social participation.
The digital revolution has provided steroids for this cultural repression. 9/11 and Operation "Pandemic" have been the two most recent segments of the counterrevolution, People can read about in the (aptly named) "The Cancer Stage of Capitalism" by John McMurtrey and "Rich Media, Poor Democracy" by Robert McChesney, both came out in 1999.
I mean really folks?! $$$ Billions spent on war with Russia - I mean helping Ukraine - but no $ Millions for disaster assistance for your own countryman. Pathetic. (Oh - who actually benefitted from said 'aid to Ukraine' financially?)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-turns-down-ohios-request-disaster-assistance-toxic-derailment
This whole tragedy reminds me of the Federal government's lack of rebuilding assistance in Mississippi + Louisiana, Alabama, after Hurricane Katrina. ( I was there helping family rebuild on the Gulf Coast, and it looked like war scenes even months later; piles of houses in mounds, debris and boats in trees, 'potholes' the side of semi trucks, etc..) Figures at the time was $1 Billion @ day in Iraq 'Defense Budget'. Halliburton had lucrative contract over there, even by cosmic standards.
I did send out to the few groups I am in info and links to Planetwaves. Thanks Eric and team for being vigilant. This is becoming evident of who exactly the war is on with. Best.
Whew.
This is tough.
At 55 minutes into the show and it's so fucked up, I can't believe I'm hearing it.
I'm going to take a pause and make a nice cup of soothing tea...WITHOUT the leaves being coated with dioxin...while I still can!
FFS
This is so bad. This is beyond negligence. This is terror.
Oh. It just get's worse.
Prolly already too late by decades to get non-contaminated herbal teas.
Joy.
My ears picked up when you and Carol mentioned Phisohex. My mom has that when I was little--till she learned it was toxic! I have a lot to learn about these horrors, so I’m reading all the articles you’ve shared here on your Substack page. Thanks for a great show.
Yes, in the 70's us kids were told by mom to use Phisohex after a cousin had hepatitis, supposedly from 'not washing hands' after using the toilet. At least we were only subjected to it for a few years. Sheesh.... . This is after she told us that we are not to drink tap water as it is carcinogenic, and explained. We lived in New Orleans area, so the mighty Mississippi River was our water source. So we drank spring water from then on.
Almost done with the movie Carol recommended "The People vs Agent Orange".
I'm almost speechless.
My husband and my father both were in Nam and were sprayed with that shit. They both have health issues from it. It makes me worry for our son and my other nieces and nephews and their kids.
But...at least I HAVE them to worry about.
Poor Carol. My heart aches for her.