The dioxin issue is not going away. It comes up at every community meeting, U.S. senators Vance and Brown have demanded testing, and the EPA is dodging the issue. Something has to give.
Eric, I heard your podcast with Mike Adams the other day about ET's re-engineering this planet....very good. I wanted to respond to the thing you said about someone you knew who saw a hole in the sky open up. I actually witnessed this when I was about 8 or 9 years old. I could see stars (like you would see at night) in this giant hole which was otherwise a clear blue sky. The stars that can be seen seemed very different and much closer like you would imagine seeing quasars and the like up closer. It was very strange and it slowly began to fade out I would say is the way I remember that. I also saw an UFO not on same day but near to that time and it had a plaedian design on the bottom and it made a definite noise. jogolowe@yahoo.com if you have questions.
Thanks Eric, for continuing this incredible work—I'm wondering if anyone has links to local organizations in East Palestine for which one could help raise funds? Please post if someone is aware of good local orgs. Many thanks
Would change would a slow burn on Vinyl Chloride have? After looking at the various drone footages that are on youtube from the accident on 2/3, over weekend of 2/4 to 2/5, taking screenshots of this footage, identifying what car is what. I clearly see two vinyl chloride tank cars vented their product through the PRD. One on the morning of 2/4, the second on 2/5. This flames are massive! They have to be close to 40 feet in length as 300 psi on a highly combustable chemical is release to through the pressure relief system. Flames started big, then dwindled over time. If two cars have a functional PRV, burned off product, how could the other 3 reach a high pressure and potentially explode? Second authorities claim a car reached a dangerous temperature on Monday 2/6, yet the fires are practically out at this point. So many questions, It's motivated me to write about it, and I'm hoping to have the images and article writing on my substack soon showcasing all of this.
Thank you Eric for your work exposing the issue of dioxin, really liked your podcasts and interviews. I'm European, don't live in America but i have a few basic questions ...
Although the geographic area with dioxin-contaminated air seems fairly limited compared to the size of the country, it's clear that the toxic/acid rain will contaminate a lot of land, farms and crops in the area, for a long long time .. Is the food grown in soil contaminated with dioxin very dangerous for human health, and does it depend of the kind of plants ? What's the kind of agriculture around East Palestine ? Is the food in the US tested for dioxins ? If it isn't yet, it should be from now on, otherwise it will impact many people.
Just throwing questions around, you don't have to answer :) Keep up the good work.
I cover these in my broadcasts and publications. There needs to be a TCDD plume map that goes out at least 50 miles from the point source, in all directions.
What's your thoughts on Dr. Young's article, Eric?
I don't know if he's correct that it was vinylidene chloride rather than vinyl chloride. How is it being determined what was in the rail cars that were burned? Does anyone have a photo or video showing the UN numbers on the rail car placards before the fire?
A couple of errors in Dr. Young's article pop out. He refers to vinyl chloride as "innocuous", indicating he must've been smoking something and looked up sodium chloride by mistake.
Then he claims that vinylidene chloride is much worse because it produces highly-toxic phosgene when burned. That's true, but the data sheet for vinyl chloride also says it produces phosgene when burned, is also highly explosive, and and has a larger evac perimeter in the event of a spill, all of which he obviously missed.
One of the big differences between the two chemicals relevant to a crash like this is that vinyl chloride has a boiling point of 7 deg f, while vinylidene chloride has a boiling point of 89 deg f. So when spilled the vinyl chloride will vaporize much more quickly. If the cars did indeed contain vinyl chloride, a lot of the damage locally such as dead animals would likely be from vinyl chloride gas, which is heavier than air and would travel to the low points and down the stream beds and valley floors. If it was vinylidene chloride it would've probably stayed liquid when spilled, until it was lit off.
One very interesting detail on the vinyl chloride data sheet , which is also in the Emergency Response Guide for this chemical class, is "DO NOT EXTINGUISH A LEAKING GAS FIRE UNLESS LEAK CAN BE STOPPED." That clearly means that the haz-mat response protocol considers the liquid or vapor to be more dangerous than the products of combustion, and is essentially saying 'let it burn'. If dioxins are a byproduct, then that's a big problem, and this will happen again, and again.
Personal samples are pretty much useless for dioxin; this must be done by the big players and we keep them honest. However, I suggest you send your tapwater out for routine homeowner type of screening.
Without the testing you advocate the health impacts of dioxin could be included under the umbrella term "long covid"...."Long Covid" is getting longer and longer, appears to have been conveniently stretched to cover the devestating effects of the toxic 'covid' jabs...
Conveniently stretched to cover the defvestating effects of dioxin poisoning, too ?
I don’t assume or believe anyone. I do follow up every lead. I will interview every last one of these people who says they are sick. Exposure victims get the benefit of the doubt. That means every person in a 100 mile radius — even Tom Cowan has described a problem.
The fact that dioxin and furans were released is not speculative; it’s inevitable, a fact proven by EPA’s own studies of vinyl chloride and PVC.
The game the government is playing here in dioxin land happens in reverse. With nonexistent “covid” the public was told it’s a threat. With very much existent dioxins and furans, through the half century of known history, the public is told that it’s safe — and even that it is infected by a virus if sick.
Reports of illness are very important to track and follow up. Further, there is no way to prove by any test in existence that one’s illness was caused by exposure, or better to say, it’s extremely difficult. This is because everyone already carries a body burden of dioxin, furans and every related chemical.
For any sick person, there is only the probability of exposure based on environmental testing, and the circumstances surrounding the exposure, that make the determination, even in court. I was an expert witness in a wrongful death case and I clinched the case. My evidence was a photo taken right where someone worked, not wearing environmental protection, where other men were at a previous time.
Mike good to have you here. So in this realm of journalism, government reports and train manifests count.
Every official source says that there were five tankers of vinyl chloride monomer that was starting to polymerize, resulting in heat and pressure.
The permission to dump and burn was VCM. The evacuation order was for a dump and burn for VCM. We therefore must assume it was VCM under the precautionary principle. I have seen no valid reason to doubt it except for some crank YouTubers telling their public that nothing happened and/or dioxin is not so bad.
***Additionally, there were four bin cars of PVC pellets that also burned***, and those, too, create dioxin. This whole mess was burning amidst many other chemicals and products, including wheat and motor oil, and cars of "benzene residue" that has a wide definition in terms of the amount potentially involved. So the disaster part one is the individual chemicals, part two is the synergistic effects of mixed chemicals, and part three is TCDD/TCDF and their subordinate chemicals.
This incident fits the pattern of every other dioxin situation I've ever seen, special only because it was so enormous.
I buy the argument. Especially as you’ve taken the trouble to brief me, which is incredibly much appreciated.
Having been mugged before, I’m so cautious not to leap to “expected reactions”, for had this been fake, people like me reacting would be just what the perpetrators would want.
I have been on Dr Lee Vliet’s Truth For Health radio program several times & I’ve not indicated scepticism publicly there.
I have shared doubts among colleagues.
Application of the precautionary principle is right. Doubts are fair, but what isn’t fair is not to warn of the catastrophic effects a dioxin plume has on anyone exposed.
That as you know is no exaggeration. Dioxins are among the most toxic chemicals known.
Not only did I receive training on them but I was at ground zero during an inadvertent industrial accident whereby medicinal chemists synthesised ultra potent agents which caused chloracne in several lab staff. It took two years of careful resesrch to conclusively show what had happened.
The incident was eventually published though I’ve never looked it up. It’s in a journal relevant to the pharmaceutical chemist. Lead author was one Dr Rod MacKenzie. I think he’s still at Pfizer, in the US. The incident was around 20 years ago (how time flies!).
The chlorine-based compound inside the five suspected tanker cars was falsely described by the EPA and Norfolk Rail as “vinyl chloride”, a rather innocuous substance, in a cover-up of the actual content of highly volatile vinylidene chloride. The latter, is a powerful oxidizing agent also known as 1,1 Dichloroethene
Vinyl chloride is shipped with a stabilizer that woks for a while, and the chemical is vinyl chloride monomer. But the monomer preserves the individual molecules only so well. After a while, the VCM, which boils at 46F (which is induced by the exothermic polymerization reaction) is extremely volatile and unstable and I am amazed it is even allowed to be shipped around.
People would be surprised what is permitted I think!
I once worked at the Chemical Defence Establishment, Porton Down, the UK approximate equivalent I think in some ways to the US’s Fort Detrick.
That’s was before I turned into a conspiracy theorist :)
Obviously I can’t disclose what i worked on or what else was going on. There were some things I found surprising given how close it was to a moderate sized city (Salisbury).
You might recall a case in which several people were allegedly poisoned by nerve agents in the city?
Obviously it was the Russians. Couldn’t be anything to do with a secret military establishment nearby.
hmmm, you're right- I went back and tried to search for a reference, but nothing. I like Robert Young nonetheless, but I agree- that's the problem with everything, blindly following what they are told. But the specific reference of this compound makes me think he has a source. Wikipedia says its a comonomer to vinyl chloride, so I guess they are chained together. Oh, I know, wikipedia!
thanks, Eric. What about Camp LeJeune in NC? https://www.va.gov/disability/eligibility/hazardous-materials-exposure/camp-lejeune-water-contamination/ You see those ads all the time about payouts if you were affected. I heard over a million people were affected there. So imagine how much more devastating this will be. Also 5 CTEH employees in Clinton Airport crash, another murdered on site of the crash: https://www.foxnews.com/us/5-killed-arkansas-plane-crash-happened-shortly-takeoff
let's work this into the story -- please keep posting any data you have to this thread....thank you...
will do, thanks. I was trying to figure out where I heard this, and now I remember: https://youtu.be/H2YtRORy9YY?t=40 . Her video was cited by Celia Farber today: https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/east-palestine-de-coded-de-mystified?utm_source=substack&publication_id=257742&post_id=105128553&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true . The comments section there might have more details about LeJeune. I always think 'soldier' means 'soul dier', like pawns, e.g., anthrax vaccine from Gulf War I, DDT sprayed on Filipino base caused paralysis symptoms, i.e., 'polio' in the 40s, detailed in Virus Mania., Profusa contract for hydrogel vaccine nanotech to monitor biological data wirelessly.
You probably already saw this, but in case not, https://rumble.com/v2aty6y-trump-exposed-to-toxic-dioxin.html.
I think he stayed three miles away -- closer than I would get. I told Brokovich to get the fuck out of there fast.
Eric, I heard your podcast with Mike Adams the other day about ET's re-engineering this planet....very good. I wanted to respond to the thing you said about someone you knew who saw a hole in the sky open up. I actually witnessed this when I was about 8 or 9 years old. I could see stars (like you would see at night) in this giant hole which was otherwise a clear blue sky. The stars that can be seen seemed very different and much closer like you would imagine seeing quasars and the like up closer. It was very strange and it slowly began to fade out I would say is the way I remember that. I also saw an UFO not on same day but near to that time and it had a plaedian design on the bottom and it made a definite noise. jogolowe@yahoo.com if you have questions.
Thanks Eric, for continuing this incredible work—I'm wondering if anyone has links to local organizations in East Palestine for which one could help raise funds? Please post if someone is aware of good local orgs. Many thanks
Ammiel, there are quite a few places to donate. I can't look into them all, but they are showing up in local facebook groups.
Here are two possibilities.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-relocate-east-palestine-residents
https://www.gofundme.com/f/revive-and-thrive
This is a land grab!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dhGFEh2gYvzX/
https://odysee.com/@PROJECTCAMELOT:d/DR.-YOUNG-CHEMICAL-WEAPON-OVER-OHIOfinal1:2?r=CAqbEXse4HAq79b1oQrzfurkrfJtu3bG
Would change would a slow burn on Vinyl Chloride have? After looking at the various drone footages that are on youtube from the accident on 2/3, over weekend of 2/4 to 2/5, taking screenshots of this footage, identifying what car is what. I clearly see two vinyl chloride tank cars vented their product through the PRD. One on the morning of 2/4, the second on 2/5. This flames are massive! They have to be close to 40 feet in length as 300 psi on a highly combustable chemical is release to through the pressure relief system. Flames started big, then dwindled over time. If two cars have a functional PRV, burned off product, how could the other 3 reach a high pressure and potentially explode? Second authorities claim a car reached a dangerous temperature on Monday 2/6, yet the fires are practically out at this point. So many questions, It's motivated me to write about it, and I'm hoping to have the images and article writing on my substack soon showcasing all of this.
Great interview with Mike Adams “The Health Ranger Report.”
Thanks, Eric. Sharing this far and wide.
Thank you for all you’ve been doing to spread the word about dioxin, Eric! I tried to link this cartoon to your recent posts but I think the files were too big - or something! I’ve been devouring your articles and watching your videos the past few days. This cartoon is the result of all that: https://open.substack.com/pub/annecantstandit/p/mums-the-word-9b1?r=7f8gy&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Thank you Eric for your work exposing the issue of dioxin, really liked your podcasts and interviews. I'm European, don't live in America but i have a few basic questions ...
Although the geographic area with dioxin-contaminated air seems fairly limited compared to the size of the country, it's clear that the toxic/acid rain will contaminate a lot of land, farms and crops in the area, for a long long time .. Is the food grown in soil contaminated with dioxin very dangerous for human health, and does it depend of the kind of plants ? What's the kind of agriculture around East Palestine ? Is the food in the US tested for dioxins ? If it isn't yet, it should be from now on, otherwise it will impact many people.
Just throwing questions around, you don't have to answer :) Keep up the good work.
I cover these in my broadcasts and publications. There needs to be a TCDD plume map that goes out at least 50 miles from the point source, in all directions.
Sorry and thank you, i'll look for the info on your substack.
What's your thoughts on Dr. Young's article, Eric?
I don't know if he's correct that it was vinylidene chloride rather than vinyl chloride. How is it being determined what was in the rail cars that were burned? Does anyone have a photo or video showing the UN numbers on the rail car placards before the fire?
A couple of errors in Dr. Young's article pop out. He refers to vinyl chloride as "innocuous", indicating he must've been smoking something and looked up sodium chloride by mistake.
Then he claims that vinylidene chloride is much worse because it produces highly-toxic phosgene when burned. That's true, but the data sheet for vinyl chloride also says it produces phosgene when burned, is also highly explosive, and and has a larger evac perimeter in the event of a spill, all of which he obviously missed.
One of the big differences between the two chemicals relevant to a crash like this is that vinyl chloride has a boiling point of 7 deg f, while vinylidene chloride has a boiling point of 89 deg f. So when spilled the vinyl chloride will vaporize much more quickly. If the cars did indeed contain vinyl chloride, a lot of the damage locally such as dead animals would likely be from vinyl chloride gas, which is heavier than air and would travel to the low points and down the stream beds and valley floors. If it was vinylidene chloride it would've probably stayed liquid when spilled, until it was lit off.
One very interesting detail on the vinyl chloride data sheet , which is also in the Emergency Response Guide for this chemical class, is "DO NOT EXTINGUISH A LEAKING GAS FIRE UNLESS LEAK CAN BE STOPPED." That clearly means that the haz-mat response protocol considers the liquid or vapor to be more dangerous than the products of combustion, and is essentially saying 'let it burn'. If dioxins are a byproduct, then that's a big problem, and this will happen again, and again.
https://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/1692
https://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/4772
NaCl will kill a person too, in high enough concentrations over time. Nothing is nontoxic.
Thanks for commenting on the only part of my comment that was sarcastic and irrelevant to the real issues.
I live close to this.. the problem is once I get the samples I wouldn’t know who to send or deliver them to...
Personal samples are pretty much useless for dioxin; this must be done by the big players and we keep them honest. However, I suggest you send your tapwater out for routine homeowner type of screening.
Without the testing you advocate the health impacts of dioxin could be included under the umbrella term "long covid"...."Long Covid" is getting longer and longer, appears to have been conveniently stretched to cover the devestating effects of the toxic 'covid' jabs...
Conveniently stretched to cover the defvestating effects of dioxin poisoning, too ?
I don’t assume or believe anyone. I do follow up every lead. I will interview every last one of these people who says they are sick. Exposure victims get the benefit of the doubt. That means every person in a 100 mile radius — even Tom Cowan has described a problem.
The fact that dioxin and furans were released is not speculative; it’s inevitable, a fact proven by EPA’s own studies of vinyl chloride and PVC.
The game the government is playing here in dioxin land happens in reverse. With nonexistent “covid” the public was told it’s a threat. With very much existent dioxins and furans, through the half century of known history, the public is told that it’s safe — and even that it is infected by a virus if sick.
Reports of illness are very important to track and follow up. Further, there is no way to prove by any test in existence that one’s illness was caused by exposure, or better to say, it’s extremely difficult. This is because everyone already carries a body burden of dioxin, furans and every related chemical.
For any sick person, there is only the probability of exposure based on environmental testing, and the circumstances surrounding the exposure, that make the determination, even in court. I was an expert witness in a wrongful death case and I clinched the case. My evidence was a photo taken right where someone worked, not wearing environmental protection, where other men were at a previous time.
https://chironreturn.org/attorney-ralph-kirk-to-reporter-eric-f-coppolino/
If vinyl chloride was burned then release of TCDD, furans and other assorted dioxins is inevitable.
Question: what is the evidence that the material burned by the incident was vinyl chloride?
Mike good to have you here. So in this realm of journalism, government reports and train manifests count.
Every official source says that there were five tankers of vinyl chloride monomer that was starting to polymerize, resulting in heat and pressure.
The permission to dump and burn was VCM. The evacuation order was for a dump and burn for VCM. We therefore must assume it was VCM under the precautionary principle. I have seen no valid reason to doubt it except for some crank YouTubers telling their public that nothing happened and/or dioxin is not so bad.
***Additionally, there were four bin cars of PVC pellets that also burned***, and those, too, create dioxin. This whole mess was burning amidst many other chemicals and products, including wheat and motor oil, and cars of "benzene residue" that has a wide definition in terms of the amount potentially involved. So the disaster part one is the individual chemicals, part two is the synergistic effects of mixed chemicals, and part three is TCDD/TCDF and their subordinate chemicals.
This incident fits the pattern of every other dioxin situation I've ever seen, special only because it was so enormous.
Thank you, Eric,
I buy the argument. Especially as you’ve taken the trouble to brief me, which is incredibly much appreciated.
Having been mugged before, I’m so cautious not to leap to “expected reactions”, for had this been fake, people like me reacting would be just what the perpetrators would want.
I have been on Dr Lee Vliet’s Truth For Health radio program several times & I’ve not indicated scepticism publicly there.
I have shared doubts among colleagues.
Application of the precautionary principle is right. Doubts are fair, but what isn’t fair is not to warn of the catastrophic effects a dioxin plume has on anyone exposed.
That as you know is no exaggeration. Dioxins are among the most toxic chemicals known.
Not only did I receive training on them but I was at ground zero during an inadvertent industrial accident whereby medicinal chemists synthesised ultra potent agents which caused chloracne in several lab staff. It took two years of careful resesrch to conclusively show what had happened.
The incident was eventually published though I’ve never looked it up. It’s in a journal relevant to the pharmaceutical chemist. Lead author was one Dr Rod MacKenzie. I think he’s still at Pfizer, in the US. The incident was around 20 years ago (how time flies!).
Best wishes & thanks again
Mike
This was in the comments section of Celia Farber's article today: https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/the-4-horsemen-of-the-apocalypse-have-been-set-loose-upon-east-palestine-ohio?postId=f4268431-2bff-4e24-8c56-f93e324e9522&cid=37ee3c05-41a7-4812-b52f-8629cf7a1c90 and according to Young's article, it is different from 'vinyl chloride', but I don't know whether this 'vinyliden chloride' would also result in dioxins through combustion- I would think so:
The chlorine-based compound inside the five suspected tanker cars was falsely described by the EPA and Norfolk Rail as “vinyl chloride”, a rather innocuous substance, in a cover-up of the actual content of highly volatile vinylidene chloride. The latter, is a powerful oxidizing agent also known as 1,1 Dichloroethene
Vinyl chloride is shipped with a stabilizer that woks for a while, and the chemical is vinyl chloride monomer. But the monomer preserves the individual molecules only so well. After a while, the VCM, which boils at 46F (which is induced by the exothermic polymerization reaction) is extremely volatile and unstable and I am amazed it is even allowed to be shipped around.
People would be surprised what is permitted I think!
I once worked at the Chemical Defence Establishment, Porton Down, the UK approximate equivalent I think in some ways to the US’s Fort Detrick.
That’s was before I turned into a conspiracy theorist :)
Obviously I can’t disclose what i worked on or what else was going on. There were some things I found surprising given how close it was to a moderate sized city (Salisbury).
You might recall a case in which several people were allegedly poisoned by nerve agents in the city?
Obviously it was the Russians. Couldn’t be anything to do with a secret military establishment nearby.
I’m open to good information and I’m dubious about the official story.
I think it’s quite possible that it’s not vinyl chloride.
But there’s no evidence given for this alternative either.
Well what are the possibilities? VCM travels around all the time on trains. So does PVC and so does benzene and motor oil.
mike what can you point to for a clue that it was not VCM?
hmmm, you're right- I went back and tried to search for a reference, but nothing. I like Robert Young nonetheless, but I agree- that's the problem with everything, blindly following what they are told. But the specific reference of this compound makes me think he has a source. Wikipedia says its a comonomer to vinyl chloride, so I guess they are chained together. Oh, I know, wikipedia!
We are working with primary sources under my iron-fist PREPARE FOR THE JUDGE AND JURY level of reporting.
"Long Covid" is a process rather than a specific disease, them killing us by whatever means available .. gonna be a long ride till 2030.
Independent samples should be put under lock and key. Followed by a second lock and key.