Just listened to the opening section of your program. Among many gems, a couple of things stood out for me:
1) Your comment that “art is a profound inner journey. Computers can’t do that.”
2) Your request for news of experiences of healthy group initiations. I’m part of such a group, Charles Eisenstein’s online community, the Sanity Project. Having participated in a small, toxic cult for over twenty years—it took deep soul-searching and the help of a loving therapist and several friends to help me extricate myself—I was skeptical at first. In part because Charles is a senior campaign advisor to RFK. I had a couple of exchanges with Charles on substack prior to joining his group regarding the scapegoating that certain of RFK’s supporters were dishing out to people like you, saying that if RFK truly wanted to “heal the divide,” he could start by healing the divide in his own health freedom movement. Charles was receptive to my comments.
I joined the Sanity Project because Charles was clear from the start that people who disagreed with him were welcome. And, after six months of increasingly active participation, I continue to feel welcomed and able to express my individuality in a group of mature people who care about something larger than themselves, namely the sorry state of affairs on our beloved planet earth. It’s been and continues to be a profoundly moving experience for me. I’ve made connections with other artists there who are committed to telling, as I am, the stories of those who have been marginalized during these years of pandemania.
Thanks Lisa. I am concerned that Charles is good at playing down the seeming conflict. Other of RFK's minions are brutal and even abusive. Has he ever let the viewpoint onto his program or into his column that there really is a question about a missing virus?
Re: the missing virus question. Charles mentioned it a few months back in one of his substack articles. If I can find it, I’ll send the link. I do know that Charles is aware of terrain theory and holds alternative healing modalities in high regard. As to letting the viewpoint onto his program, I’ve encountered it numerous times in conversations with the people there. The “program” is very open-ended; there are people from diverse walks of life leading zoom gatherings on a variety of topics. We make every effort not to “other” each other, practicing deep listening and respect for differing viewpoints and life experiences. When I’ve raised the missing virus question, I’ve never felt shut down.
Re: Charles’ involvement with RFK—Charles is nobody’s minion! He’s been quite vocal about his disagreement with RFK’s policy on Israel. What seems to me to underly all the various work Charles does is what I mentioned above; how to connect. How not to other each other and/or ourselves. How not to other our mother earth, our own bodies, our inner lives and the uncomfortable, often buried feelings we’d rather not feel. How not to other Gazans, Israelis, or a tiny thing that may or may not be a “virus” and may, in fact, not even exist.
In short, my experience of Charles is that he’s trying to hold a delicate balance point. His essays on scapegoating were tremendously helpful to me during the COVID scenario. As was the probing investigative work you did. You and he are very different! I’d love to hear a conversation between the two of you at some point.
That would be great. I will do my best to make the introduction. There are two-thousand people on the Sanity Project, and I don't know Charles personally, although we have spoken a couple of times.
The interview pieces you played were mind blowing. "I will deny deny to my death so as not to damage my reputation or standing in my community." So brave.
And Dr. Malone....I have heard him call bullshit on more than one occasion.
Not to mention he likes to sue people who disagree with him and call him out.
Regarding the PCR.....
I remember having some kind of paper – oh, wait I know what it was, it was the INSERT of the PCR test. I read every word, I looked up every scientific word I didn’t understand.
It talks about positive & negative results, and to any normal person who can read on a high-school level, it would be clear that what they were reading was filled with contradictions.
It basically said it can’t find sars cov 2, it can’t find flu, it was so clear and it also stated that
They DIDN’T HAVE THE VIRUS TO USE.
I sat at my computer, my 36 year old son was over, I read it to him. I said the virus wasn’t isolated. I said the PCR test doesn’t tell anything. It’s all bullshit.
He totally UNDERSTOOD what I was saying, but he wouldn’t accept it.
To this day, literally last week. When anyone in his household of 5 gets sick, they get tested.
My son recently went, he said he tested positive for the flu. He had fever, felt like shit, and took a couple of doses of TamiFlu and felt completely better, and the next day got on a plane to go to Mexico for a quick vacation with the 6 and 4 year old.
There is no way he had the “flu”. This family is in high stress all of the time, they overbook activities, they don’t eat truly healthy foods. There are a myriad of reasons why someone’s body is detoxing in that house all the time.
But think about this. If you're kids are in school, you have the responsibility to test your kids when sick in order to NOT send them to school if they test + for Covid. Otherwise they run a fever, feel like shit, they take them to DR. they get antibiotics and as long as they are 24 hours into the antibiotics and fever free for 24 hours they send them to school.
NO ONE RESTS AT HOME IN BED anymore. They get them back out there ASAP. It is a shame.
Testing for this generation of people has become habitual, and intuition, gut, wisdom from older generations are unreliable for them. Test, test, test.
Of course, there is a section of parents who are into "natural" everything, who homeschool, don't vax, etc. But they are a small minority.
And, if that is the way you want to approach life, then you pretty much have to find your own community to live in. You cannot participate in lots of things if you don't vax.
Even your dogs. You can't board your dog or bring him for play dates at a day care w/out the vaccinations. Even Naomi Wolf was asking on Twitter recently about that, she has a puppy and now is thinking of not giving it any more shots, but realizing, no doggie daycare for you.
Flat Earth is not only a flat plane but a stationary one, with everything in the universe revolving around us. Anything else makes FEers uncomfortable, feel insignificant. This includes the many (most?) people in the "no proof of virus" team who have gone on to embrace the flat earth notion. As Mark Bailey said well, people are confused.
Coppolino goes on to discuss a couple of recent interviews by Doc Malik, who has been a prominent virus pusher.. The segment starting around the 2:00:00 mark is particularly remarkable. Two recent interviews by Malik are featured. The first is with health freedom celebrity Ivor Cummings, whose work i used to used a lot back in 2020-21, before i went further.
They both agree that in fact there was no "pandemic" in 2020, no need for "treatments," mainstream or "alternative." They made fun of those in the "freedom movement" who were still clinging to notions of "pandemic" and "treatments." But then they both agree they need to LIE, to say there is a virus involved, even though the indications are otherwise, because saying otherwise would discredit them. This is astounding.
The second featured Malik interviewing Robert Malone. Malik argues that there has been no proof for the physical isolation and purification of the alleged virus. Malone persistently argues that there was a real "pandemic" and that a real virus was found, putting forth "isolate" which are widely available, referencing a paper he authored. These turn out to actually be amplicons, segments of nucleic acid which are supposed to be from the alleged SARS-CoV-2 virus, which in fact lack provenance, as Malik points out. This is an argument put forth by the likes of Bailey, Coppolino, Mike Stone, Christine Massey. Malik, who stated with Cummings his desire to not question "the virus," was now bringing up how the purported genome was simply the result of metagenomic transcription, computer programs stitching together a "sequence" for a "genome" out of tens of millions of small segments of nucleic acid, and not something actually found in an extract from a human or any other living being.
Coppolino brought up his groundbreaking 2021 interview with Dr Steven Bustin, considered the world's leading expert on the PCR test. By asking questions as would a 5th grader, being an investigative reporter. he got Bustin to basically admit (de facto, though not explicitly) that he's been a part of a disinformation operation which was the backbone of Operation "Pandemic." This video can be found at Planet Waves dot FM.
Next, an excellent discussion of a back-and-forth Coppolino has been having with Mike Stone, who has claimed atoms are just like viruses, and hence chemistry/physics are as false as virology. Excellent job by Coppolino pointing out an ESSENTIAL difference. Unlike virology, atomic theory does rely upon independent variables which can be isolated and purified. The theory does lead to the ability to predict results, e.g. what happens when you mix 4 parts of this with 3 parts of that, experiments which can be repeated and falsified. Claiming the two science fields are exactly the same is utterly false. It's the same kind of "thinking" which leads to flat earth.
BTW, the Three Minutes of a Secret track by Jaco Pastorius: did you hear hints of the Beatles' (specifically Macca) "Here, There and Everywhere"?
Loved the idea of "art is a transformative inner journey" as a total counter to AI produced "art" (rather, product). We are being pushed out of our bodies. I call this the digital Enclosures, the culmination of the Enclosures process of the last several hundred years, whose beginning marked the emergence into history of capital and the modern state, joined at the hip, still are. It began with land enclosures in England, expanded to the rest of the world, involved more and more of our life, and now is being extended to our bodies, to the essence of being human.
Indeed, blackouts are when we really notice how big a role electricity plays in our life. Happened to few a few weeks ago.
Individuation vs the growth of tribalism. Excellent point about how the health freedom movement was about individuation back in 2020 and early '21, resisting the shots and the mandates, but has now been swallowed by the RFK Jr campaign, and one is not allowed to resist the tribe and its continued insistence that "the virus is real, a bioweapon" because that's what Junior's pitch is about.
Examples of health group initiation process sought. I came up with France, May '68, with students on a campus in Nanterre, outside Paris, going on strike because of restrictive regulations, the strike expending to the Sorbonne, growing in response to severe repression. And then the authorities retreat, offer BS concessions, but people now demand.... control over everything. Work places get occupied, large and small, corporate, private or government, even the national media company and the football (world type) league HQ,...People kept growing the more they participated, more and more questions asked.
Concentration camps built by the inmates Yep, model for the digital prison. Andre Gregory predicted this forty years ago in "My Dinner With Andre," one of the most amazing films ever, all taking place during a dinner in a fancy New York restaurant.
Two more points i figured out as bargain killers with FEers, i.e. facts they can't dispute.
1.Why does the sun not maintain its disk shape as it disappears, but does so one latitudinal section at a time (i.e. cross sections perpendicular to the line between the top of the disk and the borron)? Likewise at sunrise, except then it appears one section at a time before becoming a disk. And remains a disk of the same size the whole time it is visible.
2. The claim that there is no East West. This goes to the notion of mere circles on a flat plane. But as noted per the flat earth map accepted by a bunch of celebrities, including Vollmer and Kaufman, the circle corresponding to Latitude 40 S should be a bunch longer than the Equator, and a whole bunch longer that the circle for Latitude 40 N. In fact, it is the same length as Lat 40N and shorter than the Equator.
Flat earth indeed a symptom of digital disembodiment, something that BTW i earlier told a person who posted on your FB page (saying it's immaterial to him, even though not an FEer). A lot else if being affected. This disembodiment enabled Operation "Pandemic." I told him that people not knowing the planet they inhabit is a very profound matter, affects just about every aspect of our life.
GREAT music selection. Jaco indeed. He already has an album when he attended a concert by Weather Report in 1976, and after the show approached keyboardist Joe Zawinul (ZAH-wi-nul, Austrian born) and introduced himself as the greatest bass player in the world. Zawinul was impressed by his audacity, which reminded him of himself when young, asked him for a tape.
When Alphonse Johnson left WR, Zawinul got Jaco to join. I saw them in May '76 at the Greek Theater in Berkeley (the Berkeley Jazz Festival) right after the "Black Market" album, with Jaco, came out. Quite an experience. Johnson was to play with Bob Weir in Bobby and the Midnites, and Weir played with Jaco a few times, played at Jaco's memorial concert.1/31/88 in Oakland.
Constants used in the equation involve the average distance to the sun. The variations in this distance during a full orbiting of the sun by the earth do not make a significant difference.
The distance doesn't get plugged into the Earth's sunrise equation, the constants are calculated on the basis of that distance. See Equation of the Center.
Yeah, but I can't find that to be true. I just read the Equation of the Center, but no mention of distance. Likewise, in the sunrise formula, I do see constants, but no reference to distance.
I found it. It equals one (1). If it is used, it equals one. The unit used is one. The symbol used is R. It is called an astronomical unit. So R can be defined by whatever distance, but the unit used is one. Curious eh? see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position_of_the_Sun
Just listened to the opening section of your program. Among many gems, a couple of things stood out for me:
1) Your comment that “art is a profound inner journey. Computers can’t do that.”
2) Your request for news of experiences of healthy group initiations. I’m part of such a group, Charles Eisenstein’s online community, the Sanity Project. Having participated in a small, toxic cult for over twenty years—it took deep soul-searching and the help of a loving therapist and several friends to help me extricate myself—I was skeptical at first. In part because Charles is a senior campaign advisor to RFK. I had a couple of exchanges with Charles on substack prior to joining his group regarding the scapegoating that certain of RFK’s supporters were dishing out to people like you, saying that if RFK truly wanted to “heal the divide,” he could start by healing the divide in his own health freedom movement. Charles was receptive to my comments.
I joined the Sanity Project because Charles was clear from the start that people who disagreed with him were welcome. And, after six months of increasingly active participation, I continue to feel welcomed and able to express my individuality in a group of mature people who care about something larger than themselves, namely the sorry state of affairs on our beloved planet earth. It’s been and continues to be a profoundly moving experience for me. I’ve made connections with other artists there who are committed to telling, as I am, the stories of those who have been marginalized during these years of pandemania.
Thanks Lisa. I am concerned that Charles is good at playing down the seeming conflict. Other of RFK's minions are brutal and even abusive. Has he ever let the viewpoint onto his program or into his column that there really is a question about a missing virus?
Re: the missing virus question. Charles mentioned it a few months back in one of his substack articles. If I can find it, I’ll send the link. I do know that Charles is aware of terrain theory and holds alternative healing modalities in high regard. As to letting the viewpoint onto his program, I’ve encountered it numerous times in conversations with the people there. The “program” is very open-ended; there are people from diverse walks of life leading zoom gatherings on a variety of topics. We make every effort not to “other” each other, practicing deep listening and respect for differing viewpoints and life experiences. When I’ve raised the missing virus question, I’ve never felt shut down.
Re: Charles’ involvement with RFK—Charles is nobody’s minion! He’s been quite vocal about his disagreement with RFK’s policy on Israel. What seems to me to underly all the various work Charles does is what I mentioned above; how to connect. How not to other each other and/or ourselves. How not to other our mother earth, our own bodies, our inner lives and the uncomfortable, often buried feelings we’d rather not feel. How not to other Gazans, Israelis, or a tiny thing that may or may not be a “virus” and may, in fact, not even exist.
In short, my experience of Charles is that he’s trying to hold a delicate balance point. His essays on scapegoating were tremendously helpful to me during the COVID scenario. As was the probing investigative work you did. You and he are very different! I’d love to hear a conversation between the two of you at some point.
Thank you. Would you please introduce us? I would like to invite him to be a guest on Planet Waves FM.
That would be great. I will do my best to make the introduction. There are two-thousand people on the Sanity Project, and I don't know Charles personally, although we have spoken a couple of times.
The interview pieces you played were mind blowing. "I will deny deny to my death so as not to damage my reputation or standing in my community." So brave.
And Dr. Malone....I have heard him call bullshit on more than one occasion.
Not to mention he likes to sue people who disagree with him and call him out.
Regarding the PCR.....
I remember having some kind of paper – oh, wait I know what it was, it was the INSERT of the PCR test. I read every word, I looked up every scientific word I didn’t understand.
It talks about positive & negative results, and to any normal person who can read on a high-school level, it would be clear that what they were reading was filled with contradictions.
It basically said it can’t find sars cov 2, it can’t find flu, it was so clear and it also stated that
They DIDN’T HAVE THE VIRUS TO USE.
I sat at my computer, my 36 year old son was over, I read it to him. I said the virus wasn’t isolated. I said the PCR test doesn’t tell anything. It’s all bullshit.
He totally UNDERSTOOD what I was saying, but he wouldn’t accept it.
To this day, literally last week. When anyone in his household of 5 gets sick, they get tested.
My son recently went, he said he tested positive for the flu. He had fever, felt like shit, and took a couple of doses of TamiFlu and felt completely better, and the next day got on a plane to go to Mexico for a quick vacation with the 6 and 4 year old.
There is no way he had the “flu”. This family is in high stress all of the time, they overbook activities, they don’t eat truly healthy foods. There are a myriad of reasons why someone’s body is detoxing in that house all the time.
But think about this. If you're kids are in school, you have the responsibility to test your kids when sick in order to NOT send them to school if they test + for Covid. Otherwise they run a fever, feel like shit, they take them to DR. they get antibiotics and as long as they are 24 hours into the antibiotics and fever free for 24 hours they send them to school.
NO ONE RESTS AT HOME IN BED anymore. They get them back out there ASAP. It is a shame.
Testing for this generation of people has become habitual, and intuition, gut, wisdom from older generations are unreliable for them. Test, test, test.
Of course, there is a section of parents who are into "natural" everything, who homeschool, don't vax, etc. But they are a small minority.
And, if that is the way you want to approach life, then you pretty much have to find your own community to live in. You cannot participate in lots of things if you don't vax.
Even your dogs. You can't board your dog or bring him for play dates at a day care w/out the vaccinations. Even Naomi Wolf was asking on Twitter recently about that, she has a puppy and now is thinking of not giving it any more shots, but realizing, no doggie daycare for you.
Watched the last 80 minutes.
Flat Earth is not only a flat plane but a stationary one, with everything in the universe revolving around us. Anything else makes FEers uncomfortable, feel insignificant. This includes the many (most?) people in the "no proof of virus" team who have gone on to embrace the flat earth notion. As Mark Bailey said well, people are confused.
Coppolino goes on to discuss a couple of recent interviews by Doc Malik, who has been a prominent virus pusher.. The segment starting around the 2:00:00 mark is particularly remarkable. Two recent interviews by Malik are featured. The first is with health freedom celebrity Ivor Cummings, whose work i used to used a lot back in 2020-21, before i went further.
They both agree that in fact there was no "pandemic" in 2020, no need for "treatments," mainstream or "alternative." They made fun of those in the "freedom movement" who were still clinging to notions of "pandemic" and "treatments." But then they both agree they need to LIE, to say there is a virus involved, even though the indications are otherwise, because saying otherwise would discredit them. This is astounding.
The second featured Malik interviewing Robert Malone. Malik argues that there has been no proof for the physical isolation and purification of the alleged virus. Malone persistently argues that there was a real "pandemic" and that a real virus was found, putting forth "isolate" which are widely available, referencing a paper he authored. These turn out to actually be amplicons, segments of nucleic acid which are supposed to be from the alleged SARS-CoV-2 virus, which in fact lack provenance, as Malik points out. This is an argument put forth by the likes of Bailey, Coppolino, Mike Stone, Christine Massey. Malik, who stated with Cummings his desire to not question "the virus," was now bringing up how the purported genome was simply the result of metagenomic transcription, computer programs stitching together a "sequence" for a "genome" out of tens of millions of small segments of nucleic acid, and not something actually found in an extract from a human or any other living being.
Coppolino brought up his groundbreaking 2021 interview with Dr Steven Bustin, considered the world's leading expert on the PCR test. By asking questions as would a 5th grader, being an investigative reporter. he got Bustin to basically admit (de facto, though not explicitly) that he's been a part of a disinformation operation which was the backbone of Operation "Pandemic." This video can be found at Planet Waves dot FM.
Next, an excellent discussion of a back-and-forth Coppolino has been having with Mike Stone, who has claimed atoms are just like viruses, and hence chemistry/physics are as false as virology. Excellent job by Coppolino pointing out an ESSENTIAL difference. Unlike virology, atomic theory does rely upon independent variables which can be isolated and purified. The theory does lead to the ability to predict results, e.g. what happens when you mix 4 parts of this with 3 parts of that, experiments which can be repeated and falsified. Claiming the two science fields are exactly the same is utterly false. It's the same kind of "thinking" which leads to flat earth.
BTW, the Three Minutes of a Secret track by Jaco Pastorius: did you hear hints of the Beatles' (specifically Macca) "Here, There and Everywhere"?
Listener's log, about 100 minutes in.
Loved the idea of "art is a transformative inner journey" as a total counter to AI produced "art" (rather, product). We are being pushed out of our bodies. I call this the digital Enclosures, the culmination of the Enclosures process of the last several hundred years, whose beginning marked the emergence into history of capital and the modern state, joined at the hip, still are. It began with land enclosures in England, expanded to the rest of the world, involved more and more of our life, and now is being extended to our bodies, to the essence of being human.
Indeed, blackouts are when we really notice how big a role electricity plays in our life. Happened to few a few weeks ago.
Individuation vs the growth of tribalism. Excellent point about how the health freedom movement was about individuation back in 2020 and early '21, resisting the shots and the mandates, but has now been swallowed by the RFK Jr campaign, and one is not allowed to resist the tribe and its continued insistence that "the virus is real, a bioweapon" because that's what Junior's pitch is about.
Examples of health group initiation process sought. I came up with France, May '68, with students on a campus in Nanterre, outside Paris, going on strike because of restrictive regulations, the strike expending to the Sorbonne, growing in response to severe repression. And then the authorities retreat, offer BS concessions, but people now demand.... control over everything. Work places get occupied, large and small, corporate, private or government, even the national media company and the football (world type) league HQ,...People kept growing the more they participated, more and more questions asked.
Concentration camps built by the inmates Yep, model for the digital prison. Andre Gregory predicted this forty years ago in "My Dinner With Andre," one of the most amazing films ever, all taking place during a dinner in a fancy New York restaurant.
Two more points i figured out as bargain killers with FEers, i.e. facts they can't dispute.
1.Why does the sun not maintain its disk shape as it disappears, but does so one latitudinal section at a time (i.e. cross sections perpendicular to the line between the top of the disk and the borron)? Likewise at sunrise, except then it appears one section at a time before becoming a disk. And remains a disk of the same size the whole time it is visible.
2. The claim that there is no East West. This goes to the notion of mere circles on a flat plane. But as noted per the flat earth map accepted by a bunch of celebrities, including Vollmer and Kaufman, the circle corresponding to Latitude 40 S should be a bunch longer than the Equator, and a whole bunch longer that the circle for Latitude 40 N. In fact, it is the same length as Lat 40N and shorter than the Equator.
Flat earth indeed a symptom of digital disembodiment, something that BTW i earlier told a person who posted on your FB page (saying it's immaterial to him, even though not an FEer). A lot else if being affected. This disembodiment enabled Operation "Pandemic." I told him that people not knowing the planet they inhabit is a very profound matter, affects just about every aspect of our life.
GREAT music selection. Jaco indeed. He already has an album when he attended a concert by Weather Report in 1976, and after the show approached keyboardist Joe Zawinul (ZAH-wi-nul, Austrian born) and introduced himself as the greatest bass player in the world. Zawinul was impressed by his audacity, which reminded him of himself when young, asked him for a tape.
When Alphonse Johnson left WR, Zawinul got Jaco to join. I saw them in May '76 at the Greek Theater in Berkeley (the Berkeley Jazz Festival) right after the "Black Market" album, with Jaco, came out. Quite an experience. Johnson was to play with Bob Weir in Bobby and the Midnites, and Weir played with Jaco a few times, played at Jaco's memorial concert.1/31/88 in Oakland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JEdXBAj_U4
To clarify, can the sunrise equation be done without knowing the distance to the sun?
Constants used in the equation involve the average distance to the sun. The variations in this distance during a full orbiting of the sun by the earth do not make a significant difference.
Cool. I was hoping to look at one of the constants, and see where the distance gets plugged in. Do we know that?
The distance doesn't get plugged into the Earth's sunrise equation, the constants are calculated on the basis of that distance. See Equation of the Center.
Yeah, but I can't find that to be true. I just read the Equation of the Center, but no mention of distance. Likewise, in the sunrise formula, I do see constants, but no reference to distance.
I found it. It equals one (1). If it is used, it equals one. The unit used is one. The symbol used is R. It is called an astronomical unit. So R can be defined by whatever distance, but the unit used is one. Curious eh? see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position_of_the_Sun
Astronomical unit is described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_unit
Where did the constants in that equation (for the Center) come from? Just slapped on? :-)
https://maa.org/sites/default/files/teets09010341463.pdf
So the answer to that question is: YES