Good night and thanks everyone for your company, ideas, proofreading and awareness. It's certainly been an exciting weekend Aquarius Ho! Ready about!

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Jan 23, 2023·edited Jan 23, 2023

Very difficult for someone whose entire life's work is invested in the fantasyland of Biotech and computer modeling/sequencing to come to terms that that world they inhabit is a land of make believe. They fully believe that the shit they play around with in their labs and on their screens is the real world. I believe this brand of "science" is a form of insitutionalized psychosis among other things.

Someone might want to tell all these "sequencers" that "gene theory" is complete crap also.

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Hi Eric,

I tried to listen and read but JJ kept going round and round and seemed very defensive. I hadn't come across his work before and don't think it has anything to tell us.

I looked up Nanopore sequencing. I hadn't heard of it before. It's pretty cool. https://nanoporetech.com/applications/dna-nanopore-sequencing basically the sample is put in a device with 2048 tiny pores through which the DNA or RNA is fed. Disruption in an ionic field tells the device which nucleotide; A, G, T or C is next in the sequence. I assume it's a consensus of the results for the nanopores all together, as is the case with trad 'whole genome' sequencing. The results are seen in real time and are said to be able to detect long reads. However, the DNA or RNA is of necessity already cut into pieces to feed it through the machine, so there is no evidence that the sequences they are detecting are actually joined together, let alone that they form part of a genome, let alone that it's infectious etc etc

The experiments JJ was talking about using cloned RNA added to culture and then hey presto finding the same RNA fragments (!) again would still only be able to find what they know they are looking for, even though they don't use PCR, because of the way they must slice the RNA they want to find to feed it though the machine.



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Nice work, Eric.

The interview didn't reveal any surprises, but I find it very valuable to listen in detail to the indoctrinated ones, as that's the reality that we must continue facing and engaging. It was encouraging to me that Jay does see many of the 'problems' with virology. Maybe he's halfway to the big truth.

Regarding the 'lab leak' theory, in my view it was the FBI that spearheaded that narrative in the US with their Jan 28, 2020 press conference announcing charges against Harvard Professor Leiber and calling attention to the Wuhan lab and 'bio-warfare' research. It was obvious to me from that moment the direction the public was being led, probably because it would maximize fear.

I very much appreciate the work of the Baileys and Kaufman & Cowan, and I also think the list is about 20% complete in the absence of Stefan Lanka, who's been carrying the torch for almost 30 years. Had it not been for the tireless efforts of Lanka (and for a while the Perth Group), there might've been not one voice of reason anywhere come 2020. When I was at that point of my journey, Lanka was the only source of truth.

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I love how you ended up backing into this. Reiner Füllmich has had some very good interviews on the issue recently as well. We're getting there.

To me however, the question of existence of the virus, or isolation if you will, is kind of the booby prize... Is it the cause, is it even a contributing factor, Is it a symptom? Backwards and forwards, the terrain is everything. What caused me to be susceptible to this... etc. Vitamin D and saline nasal flushes could have mooted the whole thing.

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If I presented one of the official papers...the methodology specifically...as a root cause proof at work I would be laughed out of the room. Well done.

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Thanx Eric, for the New Writing{s} & Newer Video.

I'll watch it & continue to read, this new stuff.

Thank You also both, for the long-standing & far-reaching, Work{s}.


& Again...


Also thanx so much for explaining, in drawn detail, all the technical words, concepts, & analyses, you both used during This Important Opening Discussion & Debate.

It helps to refine, the initial ore.

~ I Love Your Colours too !

24K solid.

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Besides the Lu paper, the following MSM news convinced me in March (2020) that the lock down was a shit show.

* SCMP (2020-03-13) also 'confirmed' the earliest 'case' traced back to November 17th, 2019.

* 'Spanish sewage sample from March 2019 tested positive' news

1. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

2. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ

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Nice summary of the history of the story--I have already begun to forget some the details. However, control of the narrative was always part of the plan including the destruction of anyone who dared question it.. I think there was a shared piece of info by someone present at an advisory committee meeting in 2015 where this was discussed as a needed part of the plandemic process they were developing. That little fact was enough to demonstrate there was nothing natural about this mess.I

I also recall a 2 hour interview/presentation by these 2 Calif doctors--Anderson and ??? which occurred at the beginning of this mess. They were already critiquing the false nature of the claims. Quite a few others at the beginning who observed a different picture of the illness than what we were being sold in the mass media.

As for the PCR test: When the very inventor of it, Carey Mullis who won a Nobel Prize for it states that is can never be used for diagnosis that was enough for me to reject anything said about it. Of course it was a bogus test that required upwards of 40 cycles before anything could be seen in a lab test and at that level any 'scraps' found were meaningless. What they did, as I recall, is take those fragments and claim they could get a DNA id for sequencing and thereby claim they have identified the virus and the person was sick.

But the worst of it, regarding the public, was the total confounding of an illness with symptoms with a test that claimed to register a virus in the body. We all have microbes in our body, all the time, and we are not sick. Our immune system clears them out and we continue on our merry way. Fauci changed definitions more than once which absolutely kept the public on edge and confused.

What I wonder is the outcome of the case brought before the ICC by Reiner Fullmich (never get his name quite right) and his group. You would think people on the Libertarian side would be broadcasting this.

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They couldnt have pulled it off if most of us didnt have a Fear of Contagion, of Contamination, of Germs...They exploited our Fear of Contagion, and will continue to do so 'til they've herded us into the Total Surveillance & Control Prison They are building for us...And even then they'll keep exploiting Our Fear...What is it that's done to the young that sets them up for a lifetime of Fear, even of their own shadows ? What is it that's done to them that their life is one long search for Security ? ("Security" is the sole product on offer from The State, its sole justification)...

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The smoke and mirrors aspect of this “virus” have dominated my thinking in regards to it since early 2000 or before. Someone sent me a 2005 peer reviewed journal article which claimed to have the viral sequence. So convenient. The World Economic Forum and partners held an epidemic. An deadly epidemic with no test, with many so sick they displayed mild cold symptoms, many who died from the medical intensive care, and with many dead from gunshots and accidents who died with Covid. Now many dead from the vaccines. Strange fruit indeed.

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I felt it was necessary to dig through my emails and find the Massey link where she provides the email back and forth between her and Couey. At the heart of this is something to do with tone. Couey likes Eric’s tone better than Christine’s. And while Couey said nothing that made sense with regards to why the in silico RNA sequences actually represent something real and why the real thing can never be isolated, I have to admit that Christine Massey’s email is not a example of how you build a conversation with anyone, especially around a topic as volatile as this. I can see how he felt her email tone to be hostile. I’m actually rather disappointed with how she went about trying to extract information from him. In fact, on email, he wins the “kind and respectful” contest by a hair. While I can respect her ability to “stick to her guns” her tone was a bit “machine gun”.

Eric, I admire your restraint and razor sharp questions and New York grit which helped me to keep calm as I clawed my way through this interview. Thanks for doing the hard interviews that no one else seems to be getting.


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In 1996 my doctor ordered an "epstein-barr virus test" for me. When she read me the results she said: "You don't have the virus because you don't have the antibodies associated with it. The virus can't be seen on a test." I asked her why the virus couldn't be detected (seen). "Because it's invisible," she replied. "If it's invisible, then how do you know it exists?" I asked. "I don't know," she replied. "We just know it's there." I think these tests and sequencing methods are science gone mad to preserve its existence. CHD like ICAN would not have a reason to exist if the world knew there were no viruses or viral diseases because the vaccine industry would disintegrate and there would be no need for these "Health Freedom" organizations to fight for "safe schedules" of childhood vaccines. The fallout would be massive, hard to comprehend even. The day is coming though and I expect it won't take the 50 years that Dr Tom Cowan estimates -- with a bit of a crooked smile on his face. Awesome work, Eric, and the researchers at Chiron Return.

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I guess this whole "virus" thing comes from the experience they made in WWI with the mustard gas which was working great in the first place but after the guys used gas masks was not working anymore. So the goal is and was to find a posion (and virus means posion) that is selfreplicating and can jump from person to person. I guess what they find in nature are poisons, like this "virus" is found in batshit (and all of us know that batshit is very poisonous for us), actually something that was cast out of the body as waste.

What he says about viruses in Tabacco might be true, because even Dr. Stephan Lanka confirms that the only viruses he found where in alges. So plants may have something like this.

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Grammar fix suggestion, Eric: using reverse transcriptase, so add several honorary bonus PCR cycles), they call that a “confirmed case of infection.” It’s not. It’s all nose (noise), no signal.

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You're so right, Eric.

The 70's was An Era, A Time, of Great, Rock 'n Roll !

In The Spirit of Harmony & The Building Goal, Of A Hoped For, & Shaped, & Fashioned, Better World...

But I reckon' A Star Gazer, might see The Moment best.


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